How is your Victoria Game going?

[Mosher]

Spoiler :

A new game as the Ottoman Empire. I'm doing pretty well. The Soviet Union just recently formed from the ashes of the Russian Empire, after a crippling blow dealt by combined Turkish and German forces.

A few years later...

Spoiler :

 

[Civ'ed]

1. WTH Armenia
2. I'm starting to think that Germany not forming was weird...

 

[Mosher]

1. WTH Armenia
2. I'm starting to think that Germany not forming was weird...

Armenia and Georgia were my doing; I like having a buffer zone between me and Russia.

I implore you, however, to look at what nation the Ottoman Empire (me) is sphering

 

[Polycrates]

Armenia and Georgia were my doing; I like having a buffer zone between me and Russia.

I implore you, however, to look at what nation the Ottoman Empire (me) is sphering

Hard to tell from the pic...do you mean the SU? Whenever I've tried sphering anyone huge in HoD there's been a size penalty that has meant essentially zero influence growth...

Anyway nice work! I have also found that the Ottomans are super fun to play in HoD (and a bit scary, what with all the Greek and Albanian crises).

 

[Mosher]

Hard to tell from the pic...do you mean the SU? Whenever I've tried sphering anyone huge in HoD there's been a size penalty that has meant essentially zero influence growth...

Anyway nice work! I have also found that the Ottomans are super fun to play in HoD (and a bit scary, what with all the Greek and Albanian crises).

I didn't sphere the Soviet Union peacefully.

Reversing the Ottoman decline was a lot of fun, though - and there weren't very many Greek crises for me, and no Albanian ones, which was surprising. And all of them were resolved peacefully.

Crises are great, though - they make European politics a lot more dynamic than they used to be. Alliances are constantly shifting.

I'm currently on 1915 of my Ottoman game and have fought 2 more wars to keep the Soviets in my sphere. Communist uprisings are getting more and more frequent with more and more fighters. Germany is largely dominating Europe and slapping down anyone who dares fight it; it ended a war with the Danubian Confederation in maybe 3 months. Luckily, I have 200 relations with Germany and an alliance, and they attack just about anyone I need them to (like the Soviet Union - over the course of the game they've invaded Russia and won maybe 15-16 times, so they've gotten very good at it.)

 

[Polycrates]

Really? Damn, I got so many crises (confession though: I was not exactly the nicest guy to all my people). You know the first thing I thought when I saw your screenshot was "uh oh, Poland is free! Without the neverending crisis that is Wielpolzskie (sp), you're gonna be getting all the crises!"

The one thing I learned with the Ottomans is to go to message settings and change them to pop up and pause if someone breaks an alliance with you. You feel like a boss staring down crises until Russia once again instantly decides to support Greece and you realise Austria has abandoned you because you've got too much infamy from taking chunks out of Egypt again.

Re the communist uprisings - did you stick with the Janissaries party long enough to get Authoritarianism? I feel like it's the Russian problem...too much MIL, not enough CON...all this anger and they won't let you do anything about it cos they don't even know why they're angry. I feel like Authoritarianism is a bit of a flaw in the game, since it so massively affects your game, you can't get rid of it once you've got it, and it all depends on whether you have a reactionary party in power in 1838ish.

 

[Mosher]

Really? Damn, I got so many crises (confession though: I was not exactly the nicest guy to all my people). You know the first thing I thought when I saw your screenshot was "uh oh, Poland is free! Without the neverending crisis that is Wielpolzskie (sp), you're gonna be getting all the crises!"

The one thing I learned with the Ottomans is to go to message settings and change them to pop up and pause if someone breaks an alliance with you. You feel like a boss staring down crises until Russia once again instantly decides to support Greece and you realise Austria has abandoned you because you've got too much infamy from taking chunks out of Egypt again.

Re the communist uprisings - did you stick with the Janissaries party long enough to get Authoritarianism? I feel like it's the Russian problem...too much MIL, not enough CON...all this anger and they won't let you do anything about it cos they don't even know why they're angry. I feel like Authoritarianism is a bit of a flaw in the game, since it so massively affects your game, you can't get rid of it once you've got it, and it all depends on whether you have a reactionary party in power in 1838ish.

I probably did; oh well. No rebel rabble can stop Ottoman military might (especially now that I am doubling the size of the army after my emberassing performance in the last Russo-Turkish War, where I only won with heavy German assistance)

 

[Civ'ed]

"uh oh, Poland is free! Without the neverending crisis that is Wielpolzskie (sp), you're gonna be getting all the crises!"

The crisis in Wielkopolskie has failed to interest the international community!
...
For the billionth time.
You'd think they'd stop trying.

 

[CivCube]

Happy Victoria Day, everybody.

 

[germanicus12]

I have a question concerning the Crises.

I am playing the United States and am currently the 3rd Great Power in the world after taking the UK down a peg or two by taking their Vancouver provinces to create a land connection with Alaska which I purchased off Russia.

During any crises I cannot support a side, both sides are greyed out and I am unable to voice my opinion or throw my weight around. If I move quickly I could become Poland's backer (or Greece's) but then no one joins my side. Though I attribute that to the fact that I have no European allies, save France who at best would be considered a distant friend. I have stopped backing these people because the UK generally backs them anyways and they usually do well, got Greece free but so far has failed against Russia concerning Polish freedom.

Is there a reason I cannot support a side?

 

[Civ'ed]

You might be at war.

 

[germanicus12]

Yeah that might be it, 2 of the Crises came during the Civil War which was a long 10 year struggle because it came right on the heels of the 2nd Mexican American war which saw another crises that I could not join. Then the most recent was because I was just wrapping up my war against the UK in Canada. Which come to think of it the UK did not get involved in the crises either.

 

[madviking]

i don't think this is supposed to happen...

 

[SouthernKing]

Clearly, you enacted the option to purge the Southern politicians from Congress.

 

[Antilogic]

And with a Congress that is 3/4ths Democratic?

Victoria could never model American politics particularly well. Or, I just happen to notice it more due to my reading list.

 

[Lohrenswald]

And with a Congress that is 3/4ths Democratic?

Victoria could never model American politics particularly well. Or, I just happen to notice it more due to my reading list.

Forget american politics. In Victoria II, conservatives always win.

I frankly find it rather annoying.

 

[SouthernKing]

And with a Congress that is 3/4ths Democratic?

Victoria could never model American politics particularly well. Or, I just happen to notice it more due to my reading list.

I agree with you, Vicky's political model seems better suited to Europeans than Americans. It's also really incapable of modelling political shifts besides socialists/communists/fascists gaining power.

That being said, it's still by far the best political model I've seen in a strategy game.

 

[MoreEpicThanYou]

Keep in mind that in the Victorian age it was the Democrats that were the conservatives. Lincoln helped found the Republican Party.

 

[SouthernKing]

Keep in mind that in the Victorian age it was the Democrats that were the conservatives. Lincoln helped found the Republican Party.

True, but there's also the period between the 1860s and the 1930s, where party affiliation (especially with Dems in the South) was heavily based on region and both parties ranged from progressives to uberconservatives. This isn't really well-modellable by Vicky 2's system.

 

[madviking]

Clearly, you enacted the option to purge the Southern politicians from Congress.

As we all should.

And with a Congress that is 3/4ths Democratic?

Victoria could never model American politics particularly well. Or, I just happen to notice it more due to my reading list.

Well Antilogic, those are the percentages after realignment. Liberals were about 30% of the UH but there was a massive abolition movement that sped things along.

True, but there's also the period between the 1860s and the 1930s, where party affiliation (especially with Dems in the South) was heavily based on region and both parties ranged from progressives to uberconservatives. This isn't really well-modellable by Vicky 2's system.

Yea, hence Will Rogers' quote, "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."