Raisin Bran
Cereal Killer
Stalin is a rolemodel for you ?
How much training does a professional soldier need?
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Stalin is a rolemodel for you ?
CenturionV
Warrior Forever
nah, you get training, just you don't get expensive advanced training until you have proven you can handle the blood, gore, death, and stress, if you can't hack it after that they should just send you home.
Everyone who fights should WANT to fight, they should be warriors first, national soldiers second. War should be there occupation, not a necessary evil they do "for there country" or something of that sort.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
About Six Months to get the basics out of the way for your basic Ground Trooper.
Don't take this the wrong way, but that's one of the most goofy things I've heard in a long time.
Perfection
The Great Head.
What's the right way to take that?Don't take this the wrong way, but that's one of the most goofy things I've heard in a long time.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Not to mention the Medevil way of thinkingDon't take this the wrong way, but that's one of the most goofy things I've heard in a long time.
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As an invitation to review the thought process behind it and perhaps identify some flaws in the framework related to the history of warfare and the attitude toward it exhibited by the non-Pattonesque types that represent probably 98% of professional soldiers as a group?
IDF warrior training, before being qualified properly as a fully-capable rifleman, is 10 months. Every brigade has its own training base, though, and you're assigned to your regiment at week one, so it's basically a 10-month, regiment-specific course...
Old Spice
King
Depends on how many people you want to kill.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
It could be done in six months. I figure about 2 - 3 months for basic training and another 3 - 4 months for advanced individual training.
woody60707
Deity
Their are many jobs involved in combat. And it does matter greatly which job you are doing. 03xx infantry MOS,08xx (arty), 18xx (Tanks), 7212(Air defense) are just the male only direct combat MOS. (US Marines)
In 3rd LAAD BN when i was active, The CO wasn't let anyone new get sent to Iraq till you had at least one full training Op and some time training with the unit. So some jobs need more then just MOS training before you are ready, you need to train with the unit as well.
If you had to throw out a number, say 6-12mo (min), but it is very much job depended. As someone noted earlier, jobs such as ATC or intel need over a year of schooling. (but you also have to sign up for 5 years in those MOS)
In 3rd LAAD BN when i was active, The CO wasn't let anyone new get sent to Iraq till you had at least one full training Op and some time training with the unit. So some jobs need more then just MOS training before you are ready, you need to train with the unit as well.
If you had to throw out a number, say 6-12mo (min), but it is very much job depended. As someone noted earlier, jobs such as ATC or intel need over a year of schooling. (but you also have to sign up for 5 years in those MOS)
I don't. I will elaborate later in the post.
Basic training here is 4 months, including around 3 weeks where you learn advanced first aid, rescue, stabilizing of buildings and firefighting. (This is drafted personel, so there's focus on learning stuff that society can use too. Most drafties go back to civilian life after basic training)
Then there's 8 more months, for those who join the reactionforce training. It's here they are assigned to units, given functions and learning about the specific mission, including the most important phrases in the native language.
So that's one year in total, before being send abroad. Then there's other units, with more specialised tasks such as scouts and light infantry, which is given more training, and often more dangerous missions.
Im quite astonished to see that the majority thinks 6 months of training is enough to be send to Iraq, and it makes me wonder whether their country actually does send out troops with that amount of training. If so it would explain why they're taking so heavy casualties compared to us.
Personally, I joined one year ago, which means that the guys I did basic training with are leaving for Iraq in two weeks. I however, do not feel ready yet, since I have not yet spend the 8 months they have in a unit, training and learning to function together. Instead I have spend a lot of time learning all the different unit functions from heavy machine gunner to squad leader, basic NCO skills and a free drivers license. Because of the different tasks and level of training in my position, and because after finished with the training I have to train drafted personel, I probably wont be send abroad for quite some time.
amadeus
Serenity now
U.S. soldiers? Six months.
North Koreans? Five minutes for marksmanship and two months of goose-stepping.
North Koreans? Five minutes for marksmanship and two months of goose-stepping.
Gogf
Indescribable
While I doubt that very many of us are qualified to give anything resembling a substantive answer on this question, I think I agree with Brennan here.
Oddly enough, the same training provided by the Dick Cheney School of Hunting.
JonnyB
Workaholic
Continuous training, even after deployment. I would say a minimum of 6 months before they're deployable, at which time they either get field experience from being in combat situations, or spend their "downtime" conducting regular exercises and advanced training.
Which I think is pretty much how it's done already.
Which I think is pretty much how it's done already.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Oh please. Its not an issue of training. Prior to going to theater in Iraq, a unit has to be qualified for combat. They all go through a pre-combat training cycle prior to deployment which also includes a training cycle at the National Training Center (NTC) warfare facility. All aspects of desert warfare and MOUT tactics are covered. The current cycle for this is a three year cycle. One year prepping for NTC, the year of NTC qualification and then actual deployment the year after that. All of that is filled with nothing but training, training, and more training.
If the US force are taking more casualities than you its most likely because they outnumber you in theater a gazillion to one and also that they are in the thick of it daily.
/sheesh.
Narz
keeping it real
I voted two years.
Of course, ideally solidiers shouldn't be deployed to "places like Iraq and Afghanistan" at all.
Of course, ideally solidiers shouldn't be deployed to "places like Iraq and Afghanistan" at all.
Fugitive Sisyphus
Escape Artist
I am not going to pretend to know how much training a soldier needs to be involved in combat. So I am not voting.
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