warpus said:
He said "best supplied" not "perfectly supplied".
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He said "best supplied" not "perfectly supplied".
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Well, one thing we know for sure: communism sucks.
(unless of course, youre the communist ruling elite, then its great)
(unless of course, youre the communist ruling elite, then its great)
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Despite the fact that all the communists do it...carlosMM said:well, don't mix communism with what pretended to BE communism
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IglooDude said:He said "best supplied" not "perfectly supplied".
He said 'endless wants'. My point is that if all we cater to is people's 'endless wants', we'll be in trouble sooner than later.
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Perfection said:
If communism was implemented properly it would be nothing like the communism we saw/see in the USSR, China, Cuba, etc.
It's an unfortunate historical accident that most (all?) communist societies turned into regimes modelled after a more or less a Leninist/Marxist style of government.
I'm not saying communism is the way to go, but I also don't think that pure capitalism is where it's at. A better economic model would lie somewhere in the middle, imo.
warpus said:
But we'll be in trouble even sooner than that if we simply refuse to acknowledge the existence of people's 'endless wants'.
Little Raven said:
France is beaten by Venezuela.
A poll of may/jun 2005 said that 27% of Venezuelians favor capitalism whereas 48% favor socialism.
http://www.legrandsoir.info/article.php3?id_article=2558
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warpus said:
No accident: Marx's approach had the rare if not unique feature among communisms of actually being able to make it to square 1. Unfortunately, that's the only square it could make it to. It turns out that (count the words here) "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" is a prophecy that's exactly 1/4 self-fulfilling.
The real question is, who gets to define "capitalism"? There are more varieties of capitalisms than are dreamt of in your philosophy - or in the philosophy of most self-proclaimed capitalists, for that matter. Let the real battle begin, and may the best conceptions win. Carpe dictum!
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carniflex said:France is beaten by Venezuela.
A poll of may/jun 2005 said that 27% of Venezuelians favor capitalism whereas 48% favor socialism.
This must be the reason why everyone is rushing to Venezuela to catch the great economy and job opportunities there.
Ayatollah So said:
The battle has been raging for some time now, and there have already been major casualties including a superpower that changed its economic system to that of its arch-enemy.
This is also why it is sad to see once proud and mighty France stagnate under economic restrictions of its own creation instead of embracing the free-market world economy and rising along with so many other nations.
There's nothing like having a real-world test in order to put out-dated and unworkable economic theories into the dustbin of history where they belong.
The problem is it's unclear what's being said here. Are people saying that a free market system is generally better than entirely different systems such as communism? Or are they saying that it's best to have a totally free market in every situation and for every good or service?
The former is entirely compatible with still having things like decent employee laws or state education and defence. The latter is a much stronger statement, and something that no country in the world currently offers.
Note that the UK is up there at 66% - we may not be as "socalist" as France, but we are more so than the US by far, with things like a national health service and the stronger employee laws.
The former is entirely compatible with still having things like decent employee laws or state education and defence. The latter is a much stronger statement, and something that no country in the world currently offers.
Note that the UK is up there at 66% - we may not be as "socalist" as France, but we are more so than the US by far, with things like a national health service and the stronger employee laws.
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Nah, it'd turn to crap too.warpus said:
Captain Obvious saves the day!warpus said:
With the exception of that wacky Newfangle no poster here advocats complete and utter free market system.mdwh said:
That's just silly.
Interesting that Mexico had the most people who thought large companies have too much influence over their national government.
I'm not surprised at all...Che Guava said:Anyone else find it funny that CHina's support for free markets is higher than the US?
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Little Raven said:
There is a huge gap between what the French population thinks, and what the French companies are doing.
Another term would be hypocrisy
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Absolutely. The French situation is actually very strange, because it's a fact our system doesn't work (slow growth, high unemployment, abismal debt...) and there is no lack of economists or scholars to point out the obvious. Yet people go "it's all because of liberalism", when precisely our deep-rooted socialism is to blame. People just don't want to change. Very strange. Maybe it's because France is not the King of the block it used to be, so unconsciously people think "if we cannot be masters anymore, then at least we want a quiet and secure life". Or maybe the bad habits from the French Revolution still linger on...sahkuhnder said:
The NHS is precisely one of the things that work very badly in the UK. Here in France, we get truckloads of Brits (often old) coming here to get treatment because the waiting list in Britain is so long.mdwh said:
But actually I think Britain should really be an example for France (as much as I hate to say it
). In the 70's, your socialism was even worse than ours, but you found the guts to clean up the big mess, even if it was hard (Thatcher etc...). And now you enjoy a dynamic economy and very low unemployment, and many qualified, motivated young French people go to London because they are tired of the burdensome French system. Truth is, free market and free initiative are the keys to the British economic revival - not surprising for the country that theorized them... Truth also, and it's a broader more "civ-like" perspective, when hardship comes, the Brits will tend to face it, while the French will have a 50/50 chance to falter miserably. But, to our credit, we're great at creating hardship for everybody else (Napoleon etc...). We're the guys you like to hate ! 
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71% of Americans may agree with the free market system, but 0% of our members of Congress seem to be paying attention.
Congress sees free market as everything in the market is free.
I wonder what the poll numbers would look like if there were options in between those two. That would be quite interesting to see. People may be for or against something until you bring up something they might like.
I wonder what the poll numbers would look like if there were options in between those two. That would be quite interesting to see. People may be for or against something until you bring up something they might like.
rmsharpe said:
Are you kidding? The buying of congressmen and selling of influence is at an all-time high on Capitol Hill.
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