How to get a job (or not)

I found that Indeed was the best site on my last search. They have skills tests, which deter the spray and pray types who clog up the system and make your application more subject to randomness. You can also see your submitted applications and a generalized number of competing applications. So if you see you're up against 100 or 200 people ever time, and you have the ability to look at a different industry, you can. Filters are better than other sites and there are more job listings.

This is for the US.
 
That is good to know! Thanks.
 
I didn't have much luck in indeed but angel.co was pretty solid. It's a bit industry limited. I found linkedin to be okay.
 
Job-hunting sucks. I should be grateful that I'm currently employed, so there isn't the added burden of financial ruin breathing down my neck, but... it still sucks.
I feel obliged to provide resolution to this, so I have managed to land an entry-level public sector job. Possibly sub-entry level: it's basically a glorified customer service role, but it's a foot in the door, which friends and family in the public sector tell me counts for a lot with these sorts of departments. The plan is to slog away for the six months probation period, and see where I can go from there.
 
Complaining about poor customer service is commonplace. You might be in a position to make it better! Congratulations. :thumbsup:
 
I feel obliged to provide resolution to this, so I have managed to land an entry-level public sector job. Possibly sub-entry level: it's basically a glorified customer service role, but it's a foot in the door, which friends and family in the public sector tell me counts for a lot with these sorts of departments. The plan is to slog away for the six months probation period, and see where I can go from there.

Good luck! Master your role, then with the favour of your impressed boss to view other departments and make your leap. It was my experience at least. I don't regret it.

It certainly can feel a bit.. Grey.. But hopefully the colleagues around you make up for it.
 
An excellent thread. Haven't read through all of it, but it's very interesting to read about different experiences from other worker bees in other nations.

I probably don't have much to contribute with, because my mindset is rather peculiar. I'm not especially performance driven; I'm more of a comfort animal. I've sat through dreadful as well as excellent job interviews; I've tried a job interview in a noisy workers shed on a building site, because the building which would house the company I applied for, was still three months away from completion (I ended up getting that one). I also remember being fresh out of technical college, sending out 40-50 applications and nobody were interested in an interview. A real struggle and low point that many can recognize from their own experience, I reckon.

I quit a supervisor position in 2020, from the job demanding too many travel days to meetings in Copenhagen (essentially making them into 7am to 8pm work days) and one day my health and sanity whispered 'enough'. I work as an IT supporter now and while the pay is a bit lower, I'm very glad that I switched track. Not much in the form of stress factors, fewer hours and most importantly; I'm happy when I enter the office and happy when I leave - most of the time.

I don't know if I have any useful advice to those looking for a new job; employers and requirements can be so different. Perhaps these three: read the job posting you are interested in very carefully, read what is communicated 'between the lines' and google/research the company and the person receiving your application beforehand. Second; remember the human touch - personal chemistry can be a deciding factor for the person interviewing you. Third; never ever speak badly about any previous jobs you've had or former colleagues/employers. Focus on positives.

PS: the British comedy series The IT Crowd is totally not fiction; it's a documentary! :)
 
What does "Creating and maintaining an online history" mean in relation to a job search?

It is in the news today that the UK DWP are changing the rules about benefits, so more people have to do more stuff about finding a job. One of the things they are being forced to do is Creating and maintaining an online history. At first glance it looks like something I actively try not to do, in that I try to reduce my digital footprint as much as possible. Other things it could refer to would be my sourceforge commit history (which is not tied to my real name, but gets identified in my CV) and my publication history. Neither of these I have added to while not employed, so it is hard to imagine this is what they mean.
 
It's pretty common nowadays to do an online search for a potential peon. I guess if they find nothing it's a red flag.
 
It's pretty common nowadays to do an online search for a potential peon. I guess if they find nothing it's a red flag.
Sure, but to improve your job prospects in that care you should AVOID having an online footprint, not to create one?
 
Could be a LinkedIn profile
A separate activety is "Creating and maintaining job profiles – however, you must not be mandated to use particular internet or social media sites (this must be entirely voluntary)" which sounds like a linkedin page.
 
What does "Creating and maintaining an online history" mean in relation to a job search?

It is in the news today that the UK DWP are changing the rules about benefits, so more people have to do more stuff about finding a job. One of the things they are being forced to do is Creating and maintaining an online history. At first glance it looks like something I actively try not to do, in that I try to reduce my digital footprint as much as possible. Other things it could refer to would be my sourceforge commit history (which is not tied to my real name, but gets identified in my CV) and my publication history. Neither of these I have added to while not employed, so it is hard to imagine this is what they mean.
Ah, the old, GDP is aggregate effort of people hustling within the system- theory
 
Could be a LinkedIn profile

Yep, that's what I'm thinking. Or create a profile in a Jobcenter internet database (if such a thing exists where you are) where potential employers can search for people. Here, you are mandated to create such an online profile, if you want to receive unemployment benefits from the Government.
 
I didn't have much luck in indeed but angel.co was pretty solid. It's a bit industry limited. I found linkedin to be okay.

I have a masters degree and Indeed emails me every day to tell me about warehouse jobs, not that I have anything against warehouse jobs or anything but I question their algorithms
 
And what's your job experience looking like on your profile?

I just copy and pasted Pete Buttigieg's experience from his Linkedin into my profile.
 
I have a masters degree and Indeed emails me every day to tell me about warehouse jobs, not that I have anything against warehouse jobs or anything but I question their algorithms
Tbf they probably match certain master's degrees with manual labor jobs 😜
 
Pay Transparency Brings Changes to the Job Hunt

New state laws give applicants leverage, clarity
BY RAY A. SMITH

New rules about pay transparency are changing the dynamics of hiring and looking for a job.
A California law requiring nearly all employers hiring in the state to list salary ranges in job postings will go into effect next year, and New York’s governor is expected to sign similar legislation soon. Colorado began requiring pay transparency in 2021. National job boards including Indeed.com say more postings are spelling out salary ranges overall, regardless of where the jobs are located.
Job seekers like pay transparency because the salary data allows them to be more targeted in their search, according to compensation specialists and researchers. Posted pay ranges can also help people assess whether their own compensation is at market rate. Many managers say public salary information saves them time with candidates since there is a better chance that the company and the worker are on the same page when it comes to pay.
“ The good thing about pay-range transparency laws is that it sets an absolute floor for candidates, so people won’t be totally in the dark about a company’s pay practices,” said David Buckmaster, who led teams that designed compensation structures at Nike Inc. and Starbucks Corp., and wrote the book “Fair Pay.”

Candidates should know that a lot of companies only post their pay-range minimums to meet the compliance requirements, which means salaries might be more negotiable than the posted data suggest in some cases, Mr. Buck-master said. Paris Clarke, 24, works in customer service and is currently looking for a new role. She said she is less likely to apply for a position if the posting doesn’t include a pay range. A range helps her weed out salaries she considers insufficient for a job’s duties or her experience level. Ms. Clarke, who lives in Citrus Heights, Calif., said she is seeking between $18 and $22 an hour. Pay ranges are designed to be wide. Some salary ranges can span tens of thousands of dollars to account for potential hires with a variety of education and experience levels, Mr. Buckmaster said. Where a person falls in a range depends on how a company values a person’s skill set and the competition for the job, according to compensation specialists and human-resource executives.

Government efforts to compel companies to publish pay ranges are intended to boost pay equity and address gender and racial wage gaps by ensuring people doing the same jobs earn similar pay. A 2017 Pew Research Center study found 25% of employed women said they had earned less than a man who was doing the same job; 5% of men said they had earned less than a woman doing the same job. A 2019 study of 1.8 million salary responses by Payscale, a compensation-software and data provider, found that Black men earned 98 cents for every dollar earned by white men with the same job and qualifications. Whether these laws will help close the gaps remains unclear, because disparities can exist within wide salary ranges, human-resource officers and compensation coaches said. Workers shouldn’t assume that posted salary ranges mean that higher pay isn’t negotiable, Mr. Buck-master said. A candidate can try to ask for more than the base pay being offered, but will need to demonstrate skills far above the typical candidate to make their case. “Anything more than 10% above max will be a tough sell,” he added.


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Salary disclosures can motivate workers to apply for and stay in jobs, said Alexandra Carter, director of the Mediation Clinic at Columbia Law School and author of the book “Ask for More.” She cited a recent survey by Visier, a people-analytics firm, that showed more than two-thirds of workers said they would switch jobs in favor of a place with greater pay transparency. (More than 20% of respondents didn’t want any transparency around pay, according to Visier.) “Pay transparency will quickly become a market advantage for companies that implement it,” she said. People tend to assume they should be paid at the top of the range. About two-thirds of job seekers think they are paid below market, according to 2021 research by Payscale. Of those employees who believe they are paid below their market value, 51% are paid at or above market, the Payscale report found.

HubSpot, a Boston-based digital marketing firm, decided to disclose salary ranges for all U.S.-based open roles in July. It trained managers to explain the factors that go into setting pay and why employees land where they do in a pay range, said Katie Burke, chief people officer of HubSpot.

Ben Cook, chief executive of Riva, a New York-based startup that coaches workers on negotiating compensation, said that pay ranges require more homework from job hunters than taking a job’s posted pay range at face value, especially in years like this one where inflation has raised peoples’ costs and pay needs. Riva helped a client negotiate for a 10% raise after the engineer in North Carolina had already accepted a new job offer, but before he officially started the new role. Mr. Cook said the client, fresh out of a master’s degree program, accepted a job with a pay range that was set in January, but the start date was in June. In the months between, the cost of living had risen significantly. To justify his ask for more money, Riva coached him to cite several regional competitors with similar job openings that were posted more recently with higher salaries.
 
The question that I have on transparency on pay, are they including benifits like employer based health insurance or is it just flat out salary w/o the value of benifits?
 
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