How will america Fall?

[I am the Future]

The US would have to go the way of the USSR and not of Britain. Just breaking apart and no longer being of any use. the idea of a grdual fading away is perposturus how could we we just have to much mainland. If our colonies hawaii alaska perto rico virgin islands etc brok away no one would notice.

 

[Hundegesicht]

300 years, maybe. At least, that's how long I think it'll take before humanity begins colonizing other worlds. At that point, the USA and other nations will probably dissolve and just become "Earth", with all the current states in the US remaining that way as provinces.

It might happen in 150 years, or 1000 years too. It's hard to say.

During the past century, the world has changed in just about every single way imaginable, and thanks to technology, continues to rapidly change. Thus we expect the world to continue at it's current pace and have never considered that human advancement might "level out" in the next 20 to 30 years, and stay stable for several hundred years. (As it has before, many times)

 

[BasketCase]

China is very, very different from the USA.

To name a few--unicultural for the most part, uniethnicity, a far greater population density (and this does matter), a history of uniting themselves time and time again--something the USA does not have.

China didn't begin with all of the above. That's my whole point. They evolved the things that (you allege) would allow them to pull themselves out of the dustbin.

We can too. Of course, that's assuming the above are absolute necessities for doing the out-of-dustbin thing. They're probably not. We might have completely different motivations.

 

[Winner]

Wait a bit before nuking Prague... my boyfriend is currently there with his sister. Normally he should leave Prague on tomorrow to visit Vienna. So it's fine to do it after.

Thank you.

Just because it's you

 

[Volstag]

I doubt it'll go beyond 100 years, though you never know. If history teaches one thing it's that empires, all empires, eventually fall or fade away (generally to be replaced by something else).

 

[zjl56]

The nation is only 200 years old, Bush will have no effect on it; right now America is the only superpower and is the strongest military power in the world. America will not just fade like Rome, the age of barbarian invasions is long gone. The biggest difference between Rome and America is that Rome was an empire; America is clearly not. America still has atleast a good 200 years before it even begins to weaken.
I don't get why so many people think Bush will mean the end of America. We are not even at war, and yet many say the military is overstretched.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

Its going to rapidly lose its title as sole superpower, then it will be more willing to use its military force to reclaim power.

 

[alex994]

China didn't begin with all of the above. That's my whole point. They evolved the things that (you allege) would allow them to pull themselves out of the dustbin.

We can too. Of course, that's assuming the above are absolute necessities for doing the out-of-dustbin thing. They're probably not. We might have completely different motivations.

Each one of China's more successful dynasties had 2x the time of the United State government. When each one fell, it broke into pieces that had to be reunified, more then 6 times this happen.

Can you imagine 6 civil wars in the United States each as brutal as the first?

 

[DiamanteLouco]

Each one of China's more successful dynasties had 2x the time of the United State government. When each one fell, it broke into pieces that had to be reunified, more then 6 times this happen.

Can you imagine 6 civil wars in the United States each as brutal as the first?

The world is different, you don´t have civil war nowadays, you have "who bribes fox news the better".

 

[DiamanteLouco]

Its going to rapidly lose its title as sole superpower, then it will be more willing to use its military force to reclaim power.

This is true, when energy issues starts to become critical, the whole world will go through difficulties, but while everyone will be uniting to get out of this together, USA will be still trying to dominate everyone.

 

[ligertiger]

*sigh*

Can you please point out something the US has, in terms of the "character of its people" that the people of the UK or France or Canada or Germany or any of a large number of other equally-democratic, equally-modernized nations lack?

I'm sick of hearing from my fellow Americans that we have something other people don't. Get over yourselves.

I rail on those people as well, but you missed my point completely. I meant something different, as any other nation on the planet does. I don't want to name certain qualities each nation is good at in fear of mass reprisal.

 

[ligertiger]

Yeah, others thought that their empire had something, a unique character, a great something, that other nations lacked.

The Romans thought so--and in fact, they are an excellent analogy for the America of today. No, really!

The Romans rose from almost nothing to a massive Empire that had no rival (in their area, anyway). They were certain that their people were greater than any outside it--that they had a character that was greater than others, that they were civilized where others were not.

The Americans, like the Romans, are falling victims to their own pride and power.

We as a nation believe that we are on top of the world. A great number of us believe that our nation has the right to do whatever it wants as long as it is within our interests.

And all while our increasingly overstretched military force gets told to "protect our interests" somewhere else, the population at home gets desensitized to violence protrayed in television as acceptable. After all, it's very nice and cozy to regard the horrors of war if it's not happening on your soil, if it's not happening to your nation, and if you can watch it at a distance. In this way, our television is almost comparable to gladiatorial tournaments--though not nearly as brutal, it shows that the desire for information is being completely surpassed by the desire for entertainment.

At the same time, our nation relies on a source of cheap, easy power--much as the Romans relied on cheap, easy slave labor, to run our economy, we use oil in the same way. And oil cannot last forever--that is a fact.

Our currency will become devalued, our power sources will become harder to acquire. Our nation's military will be overstretched by a willing and blind american public, we will become vulnerable. Internal tensions and external pressures will tear America apart, and this empire, like so many others, will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Sorry to ruin your day.

You didn't ruin my day btw. I've read probably just as many doomsday scenarios as you have on America, the world, the universe, and this dimension.

However,
The Romans were on their own when it came to defending the Republic. I'm quite sure that as much as the world hates America, it currently uses it as a walking stick in some areas. And I want statistics showing Americans think so high and mighty of themselves, you should know by now that politicians don't represent their constituencies very well. I may be semi-conservative, but I would love to kick Bush's ass.

Also, America can only go on a conquering spree for so long, already there are protests and comparisons to Vietnam. And answer this, why do people keep immigrating to this nation in mass numbers? Surely they are stupid for immigrating to a falling power that will crash. N-O.

Our currency is already so devalued, which is something I agree with you on. Greenspan struck fear into my heart with his last speech.
Oil? It may take time, but these "stupid" Americans also are starting to realize from their interests that they don't want high oil prices. There is a new generation growing up with all of these excesses, it is my hope that they will strike down these problems when they come into power.

And to end, I am not saying America will not crash, it just might, the future is unpredictable. However, if it does, the rest of the world will come with it. Welcome to the 2nd Great Depression and 2nd Dark Age.

 

[vbraun]

I rail on those people as well, but you missed my point completely. I meant something different, as any other nation on the planet does. I don't want to name certain qualities each nation is good at in fear of mass reprisal.

What was your point? Because I think Cuivienen hit the nail on the head.

What does America have going for it, that other countries do not have, that will allow it to survive indefinatly?

 

[rbis4rbb]

This is always an interesting topic on CFC, several threads have been made on it

 

[Mountain-God]

The nation is only 200 years old, Bush will have no effect on it; right now America is the only superpower and is the strongest military power in the world. America will not just fade like Rome, the age of barbarian invasions is long gone. The biggest difference between Rome and America is that Rome was an empire; America is clearly not. America still has atleast a good 200 years before it even begins to weaken.
I don't get why so many people think Bush will mean the end of America. We are not even at war, and yet many say the military is overstretched.

It seems to me the major factor in the decline of the Roman 'empire' was corruption.

Barbarians at the gate, if not for corruption, would have been as a fly to a bull.

Ignoring the issues of globalisation and multi-national corporatisation, I would suggest the USA will go as the way of Rome, and during the next 100-150 years.

Namely, combination of corruption forced decline, invasion, and seccession.

It appears the USA is already well on the way to realising one of those factors...

 

[zjl56]

It seems to me the major factor in the decline of the Roman 'empire' was corruption.

Barbarians at the gate, if not for corruption, would have been as a fly to a bull.

Ignoring the issues of globalisation and multi-national corporatisation, I would suggest the USA will go as the way of Rome, and during the next 100-150 years.

Namely, combination of corruption forced decline, invasion, and seccession.

It appears the USA is already well on the way to realising one of those factors...

Many governments are corrupt, the U.S as a whole is strong and not corrupt. I know that Bush has done some pretty idiotic things, but so have alot of presidents. America still has along time to go unless some major war happens.

By the way I don't get what you mean by ignoring globalisation and cooperation with other nations. The U.S is one of the most globalized countries considering the huge number of goods it imports. For now America stands strong and uncontested and nothing short of a nuclear war could stop it in the next few years.

 

[North King]

Many governments are corrupt, the U.S as a whole is strong and not corrupt. I know that Bush has done some pretty idiotic things, but so have alot of presidents. America still has along time to go unless some major war happens.

Sorry, that is too funny. We're a privatized nation, sorry, and that leads to corruption. I know in capitalist dreamland, nothing happens, but when corporations can continually influence the government for their own purposes, it will lead to corruption, for corporations naturally care about little except profit.

 

[zjl56]

There is a thing called regulation that the government can use.

 

[ligertiger]

What was your point? Because I think Cuivienen hit the nail on the head.

What does America have going for it, that other countries do not have, that will allow it to survive indefinatly?

Ah, forget it. It's hard to express in words so just pretend like I didn't say it.

 

[vbraun]

Many governments are corrupt, the U.S as a whole is strong and not corrupt.

Every goverment has some corruption, America is a pretty decent example.