I hate colleges now

madtemplar0

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I applied for a college where the average GPA admitted was a 3.9 and the high-range admitted SAT score was a 2100.

I have a 4.3 and a 2200, so I felt pretty confident, especially since I did a sport, 3 clubs, extra community service, and acted as an official student leader/ambassador on several occasions.

Nope. Denied.

I want to cuss on here but know I can't. Beyond that I don't know what to do right now. It wasn't my only application of course, but it was my #1. Screw that.

/rant
 
I hated colleges back then, and if you don't pay them you suck.

So unfortunately, you suck. At that college.

Find a better one, a school with heart and liking sports wouldn't be too difficult.

Of course travelling would be a monster.
 
I feel your pain. My #1 choice was the University of Illinois and they denied me with a 3.65 gpa and extra curriculars (and work experience) out the yazoo. Of course, I applied to transfer directly into my degree program. If I had just applied as a gen ed, I would have gotten in and then could have switched majors in a semester but I didn't know that at the time. Does this apply to you? Is there an appeal process?
 
There is some element of randomness in college admissions, and the score/GPA ranges are not set in stone metrics, but general ranges. If those were your numbers, and you applied to 8 colleges with those ranges, you'd probably get into 7. Thems the breaks.

There are two important things high school Americans need to understand.
1) If you are DEAD SET on going to your DREAM COLLEGE and you got denied, it is not terribly difficult to gain admission after 1 year via transfer. In this end, this may actually save you money.
2) 90% of the time, there is functionally no difference where you go to college if it is outside the top 15 or so. The difference between the #28th ranked undergrad and the #73rd ranked undergrad is basically just the amount of debt you'll take on.

Sorry about your bad luck, but it's by no means the end of the world.
 
None of you should allow yourselves to be treated this way. Boycott college and educate yourselves. Colleges are going to be essentially over in their current form in 20 years anyway.

Screw em.
 
So long as there's civilization there's always going to be some form of higher education. It's not going to be for everyone and there's no guarantee of getting in.

There's open university now too. So if you can't get into a top college you can still take some of their courses and listen to their lectures online. Also, college only gets you so far. You have actually apply knowledge in a work setting to gain experience. Some small businesses will give you the job if you can prove that you know what you're doing and they don't have to spend money training you. For instance, if you were going to go into Web Development, you could just build a website and put it out there then get other gigs for small businesses. Also, what people study in college might not end up being their full time job afterwords. There's psychologist that go into customer support or librarians who become organizers and never have to set foot in a library.
 
I feel your pain. My #1 choice was the University of Illinois and they denied me with a 3.65 gpa and extra curriculars (and work experience) out the yazoo. Of course, I applied to transfer directly into my degree program. If I had just applied as a gen ed, I would have gotten in and then could have switched majors in a semester but I didn't know that at the time. Does this apply to you? Is there an appeal process?

Count yourself lucky. University of Illinois has some good programs but Champaign-Urbana is a remarkably crappy place to live. Oh yea, and the undergrads are pretty belligerent when drunk and like to randomly beat people up. Oh yea, and there is zero parking. And the traffic is suicidal. I hate that place.
 
Boycotting college or only going to an open university is horrible advice. You aren't paying for access to the knowledge, you're paying for networking and credentialing, both of which can't be replaced.
 
For some people the Open University is a good idea but there is a lot less scope for networking.

From The Open University

The Open University is a world leader in modern distance learning, the pioneer of teaching and learning methods which enable people to achieve their career and life goals studying at times and in places to suit them.

The OU was founded to open up higher education to all, regardless of their circumstances or where they live. We have students of all ages and backgrounds: school students wanting experience of university-level study, school leavers who choose to begin their careers while they study for a degree, people wanting to develop or update their skills, or change career entirely, and retired people wanting to explore new interests and keep mentally active

http://www.open.ac.uk/about/main/the-ou-explained/the-ous-mission
 
Actually I chose my campus by the female to male ratio.
Concordia College =) Two women per male!

Or was there some other reason to go to college again?
 
sorry for your bad luck, but I'm guessing it's the ucal system based on your location. the ucal system can be pretty weird (I don't know details of it)
 
You'll be ok. I went to Texas A&M - Kingsville for my undergrad because I didn't bother to apply anywhere else. I took advantage of the relative cheapness, relatively small class and faculty sizes, and proximity to my parents house to:

1. save money (which can be used for a vehicle if you don't have one)
2. network and foster a relationship to faculty that got me some kickass letters of recommendation
3. double major
4. avoid on-campus living while still participating in on-campus activities
6. enter the dating scene, which as been pretty fruitful for me

Be flexible. For my field and areas of interest, my undergrad did not really affect my applications to grad school. Some of this is luck, some of it is just seizing the opportunities as they present themselves.
 
downtown is right - after a certain point, there's an element of luck, and admissions decision-makers have to go with their gut to pare down the candidate pool. If they've got 20,000 applications and plan to give 4,000 offers, they aren't going to be able to admit everyone who's qualified. And even everyone who's above their average benchmarks isn't going to get in - they want to have some balance. Wouldn't Harvard be boring if it were only people who got 1600s on the SAT/36's on the ACT? Unfortunately, it looks like you were one of the unlucky ones here.

It was kind of similar for me. I got waitlisted (and didn't get in off the waitlist) from my top choice, even though on paper I was above their three-quarters percentile students. I would say something encouraging, but to be honest I still kind of wish I'd got in there. But I did make some good friends and learn a decent amount where I did go, which was also a pretty good school (though one I was less excited about). So it wasn't like I ended up in the poor house.

(You might be overestimating things a bit, though - what's your unweighted GPA compared to the average unweighted GPA admission? My guess is the average posted on the web site - the 3.9 - is unweighted if not specified otherwise, so comparing it to a weighted would be unrealistic. My weighted one was about 0.35 higher than my unweighted one, and I'm guessing yours is similarly different)
 
What did you write your admission essay on? Someone on TLS wrote about his participation in the G-20 riot in Pittsburgh which included being tear gassed and arrested.

They denied him.
 
Count yourself lucky. University of Illinois has some good programs but Champaign-Urbana is a remarkably crappy place to live. Oh yea, and the undergrads are pretty belligerent when drunk and like to randomly beat people up. Oh yea, and there is zero parking. And the traffic is suicidal. I hate that place.
Wow, didn't know all of that. I still smart over the rejection, doubly so because I could have easily avoided it but had no help or advice whatsoever when I started applying to universities.
There is some element of randomness in college admissions, and the score/GPA ranges are not set in stone metrics, but general ranges. If those were your numbers, and you applied to 8 colleges with those ranges, you'd probably get into 7. Thems the breaks.

There are two important things high school Americans need to understand.
1) If you are DEAD SET on going to your DREAM COLLEGE and you got denied, it is not terribly difficult to gain admission after 1 year via transfer. In this end, this may actually save you money. 2) 90% of the time, there is functionally no difference where you go to college if it is outside the top 15 or so. The difference between the #28th ranked undergrad and the #73rd ranked undergrad is basically just the amount of debt you'll take on.

Sorry about your bad luck, but it's by no means the end of the world.

You probably know something I don't, but I don't see how the bolded part actually is that applicable in many situations.

As I understand it, private colleges are under no real obligation to accept transfers and usually try their best to avoid them. The reason is because they want you on the hook for the full four years + on-campus living expenses, which transfer students can avoid sometimes.

For state schools, they often do have to accept you (if you are from the state of that school - otherwise they act a lot like privates) but really only have to take you if you have an associate's degree. If you just have one year of credits from a community college and you don't live in the state, I don't see why they'd be more likely to accept you.

In fact, after a year of community college, your GPA will drop from 4.3 (to use the OP's own example) as the best you can do is a 4.0. Then you factor in the courses that the college can get you for less than a full four years and I just don't see how taking a year of courses will help you reapply, even if you took that year of courses at a full University.

Like I said though, I am sure you know something I'm missing.

What did you write your admission essay on? Someone on TLS wrote about his participation in the G-20 riot in Pittsburgh which included being tear gassed and arrested.

They denied him.
I absolutely loathe admission essays but I will leave that rant to the previous thread I posted about it in. Bottom line, I don't think it's fair, relevant and the whole process is rife with cheating. Hey, will you write this essay for me english major friend?
downtown is right - after a certain point, there's an element of luck, and admissions decision-makers have to go with their gut to pare down the candidate pool. If they've got 20,000 applications and plan to give 4,000 offers, they aren't going to be able to admit everyone who's qualified. And even everyone who's above their average benchmarks isn't going to get in - they want to have some balance. Wouldn't Harvard be boring if it were only people who got 1600s on the SAT/36's on the ACT? Unfortunately, it looks like you were one of the unlucky ones here.

It was kind of similar for me. I got waitlisted (and didn't get in off the waitlist) from my top choice, even though on paper I was above their three-quarters percentile students. I would say something encouraging, but to be honest I still kind of wish I'd got in there. But I did make some good friends and learn a decent amount where I did go, which was also a pretty good school (though one I was less excited about). So it wasn't like I ended up in the poor house.

(You might be overestimating things a bit, though - what's your unweighted GPA compared to the average unweighted GPA admission? My guess is the average posted on the web site - the 3.9 - is unweighted if not specified otherwise, so comparing it to a weighted would be unrealistic. My weighted one was about 0.35 higher than my unweighted one, and I'm guessing yours is similarly different)

In my admittedly limited experience, the bolded part isn't true. They go for top shelf students if they're a top-notch school. They make minor exceptions from that based on race, gender or socioeconomic factors in order to come across as diverse, but really, top schools only want top students.
 
You probably know something I don't, but I don't see how the bolded part actually is that applicable in many situations.

The reason is that the number of students who start at university X as freshman is not the same number that will come back as sophomores, juniors, etc. Kids transfer, drop out, take sabbaticals, etc, and a university will look to fill those holes with transfers. A record of success at another institution allows you, the applicant, to either strengthen your narrative of success, or correct some flaws in your initial application.
 
Don't worry about it. Sometimes it's luck, and other times it's just that the college can't accept everyone similar to you.

Me, for example. I applied to UCLA and UC Berkeley back in the day. GPA was good, so was SAT, extraciriculars, all that jazz. But the problem was, I came from a high school in Maryland where there were also at least 100 other kids who were equally or more as qualified as me, the majority of them also Asian like me. Do you think UCLA and Berkeley could really accept 80 Asian kids from one high school in a faraway state? It's impossible. In the end, only 6 of the kids from my school got into Berkeley - and their level ofa chievement was sometimes above, sometimes equal, and sometimes lower than mine. The admissions would be screwed up otherwise if they accepted everyone, and I'm fine with that.
 
The reason is that the number of students who start at university X as freshman is not the same number that will come back as sophomores, juniors, etc. Kids transfer, drop out, take sabbaticals, etc, and a university will look to fill those holes with transfers. A record of success at another institution allows you, the applicant, to either strengthen your narrative of success, or correct some flaws in your initial application.

Ok, but those numbers are going to be very limited and just as competive (maybe even more so) than freshmen slots. I don't get how going to another school makes it terribly easier to get in. Granted, yeah, you can correct any flaws in your application, but the number of transfer slots to freshmen slots are teeny tiny and their is a big huge pool of potential transfers to compete with.

But like I said earlier, if your dream school is a state school and you live in that state and go to community college in that state, it is pretty straightforward to tranfer to your dream school - especially with an associates.
 
Yeah, don't worry Hobbs, I was denied from Illinois as well. Blech, would have saved me a ton of money if I got in, roughly 20,000 a year instead of the 40,000 I'm paying at Iowa. But yeah, doing well at the college your in and then transfering is always an option, and one that everyone keeps telling me about if I want to switch to Illinois.

Though, I'm not sure I want to or not, just because they don't have the major I want while Iowa does. But is a different undergrad major really worth an extra 20,000 dollars a year in debt? Beats me.
 
So then it's common knowledge that transfering is easy then? Hmm I had just never heard that but ok I'll admit I don't know any better.

As for your major - it depends. Is the job you could get with your current major going to make you happy? Is it what you want to do? Does it pay enough that you won't be crushed by the additional debt? You have to consider those things carefully to see if it is worth it. I wouldn't just go to a school that doesn't have my desired major just because it's a better school or because I always dreamed of going there.
 
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