I know she's a Muslim, but...

[cardgame]

Liberals: Anti-Semites separating Jews from the population to oppress and murder them is wrong, and Jews separating of their own accord in order to protect themselves from the anti-Semites is equally wrong! We need to be even-handed here.

Of vastly more importance is the Israeli persecution of its Palestinian population. Most people wouldn't care if Israel was as xenophobic and ethnically-homogenous as Japan, the sticking point is, instead, the oppression it deals out to its minority population.

No one explicitly says that; rather, they simply insinuate that they are only against 'certain Jews' and don't have anything against the good ones who merely believe in the Jewish religion - as opposed to, say, controlling the media and the world's finances, promoting sexual immorality, spreading communism, supporting the immigration of inferior races as a bulwark against the whites, and the ever popular oppressing Palestinians.

I mean, you don't think it's a little odd that the actual heirs to Nazism, from France to Russia to North America, agree with you on that last point so strongly?

Nothing inside of this list you made fits liberals, except perhaps the anti-communism bit, but that's a relic from the Cold War. Leftists and some liberals would be against the "control of the world's media and finances", but that has literally nothing to do with the Jewish ethnicity. Finally, I strongly doubt that neo-nazis would give a damn about the oppression of Palestinians, since they're not aryan or even white.

 

[Hamid.H]

Most people wouldn't care if Israel was as xenophobic and ethnically-homogenous as Japan

why should racist systems of government ever be tolerated?

Leftists and some liberals would be against the "control of the world's media and finances", but that has literally nothing to do with the Jewish ethnicity.

that's certainly not how it seems to everyone existing outside of western countries. to say that jews are over-represented in finance and western media is a bit of an understatement.

i mean some western countries still wont air networks likes al-jezzera and the ones that do never allowed it to air until quite recently.

hh

 

[cardgame]

why should racist systems of government ever be tolerated?

They shouldn't be, but what I'm saying is nobody gives a damn about Japan. Thus by providing a counter-example I have defeated the main thrust of his argument.

 

[Hamid.H]

They shouldn't be, but what I'm saying is nobody gives a damn about Japan.

im just saying neo-nazis love japan. they endlessly yammer on about their low crime rate and homogeneous society but i get the point youre trying to make. one could ask however, perhaps theres no persecution taking place in japan because minorities are not allowed to immigrate there? i know several people who have traveled to japan and their society can be quite racist toward foreigners, especially poc.

hh

 

[Lexicus]

is such naked islamophobia tolerated on cfc?

I certainly didn't take "them" in that statement to mean Muslims, I apologize if you did, and I assure you I have no problem associating with Muslims and indeed have done so plenty of times.

 

[Berzerker]

one of my friends is Muslim

 

[Mouthwash]

Of vastly more importance is the Israeli persecution of its Palestinian population. Most people wouldn't care if Israel was as xenophobic and ethnically-homogenous as Japan, the sticking point is, instead, the oppression it deals out to its minority population.

Yes, it's become a veritable Warsaw Ghetto over there.

Nothing inside of this list you made fits liberals, except perhaps the anti-communism bit, but that's a relic from the Cold War. Leftists and some liberals would be against the "control of the world's media and finances", but that has literally nothing to do with the Jewish ethnicity.

It was a list of what anti-Semites in general believe, not only the liberal ones.

Finally, I strongly doubt that neo-nazis would give a damn about the oppression of Palestinians, since they're not aryan or even white.

You'd be surprised.

(The actual Nazis quite liked the Arabs, despite viewing them as inferior; Amin al-Husseini was even granted "honorary Aryan status". They were also favorable towards Islam, with Hitler explicitly wishing that Muslims had conquered Europe and converted the Germans to it - there's always been a current in fascist thought which views Islam as a superior "warrior religion". You've heard of the recent conversion of that far-right Dutch politician?)

 

[Mouthwash]

The allegations against Omar are obvious nonsense, but one wonders why it took an attack on an ethnic interest lobby (one of many that exist) to draw criticism from the left, rather than her explicit belief that Israeli Jews should be stripped of independence and forced to become a minority group in a region where genocide against minorities happens every decade or so.

Good to see the left throwing away their political capital on nonsense, though.

Noting that my opinion on this has changed; I only knew about the AIPAC comments here but not the ones about 'pledging allegiance' to a foreign country. Those do seem a bit creepy.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Of vastly more importance is the Israeli persecution of its Palestinian population. Most people wouldn't care if Israel was as xenophobic and ethnically-homogenous as Japan, the sticking point is, instead, the oppression it deals out to its minority population.

Japanese oppression of the Ainu was always pretty much ignored.

 

[inthesomeday]

Japanese oppression of the Ainu was always pretty much ignored.

Isn’t it shocking? My poli sci professors have consistently cited japan as the ideal powerful consistent nation-state, as if there was no violence to make it so consistent.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Isn’t it shocking? My poli sci professors have consistently cited japan as the ideal powerful consistent nation-state, as if there was no violence to make it so consistent.

Trying to think of a nation-state that hasn't oppressed somebody on grounds of ethnicity, culture or religion either colonially or in its own formation and I doubt there are many that aren't micro-states.

 

[inthesomeday]

The other one they like is Iceland

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Noting that my opinion on this has changed; I only knew about the AIPAC comments here but not the ones about 'pledging allegiance' to a foreign country. Those do seem a bit creepy.

They do seem creepy, but doesn't the allegiance to a PAC funded by a foreign country and committed to the welfare of that foreign country also seem creepy?

 

[Mouthwash]

They do seem creepy, but doesn't the allegiance to a PAC funded by a foreign country and committed to the welfare of that foreign country also seem creepy?

I'm not such a nationalist that I think that countries should solely be concerned with their internal affairs. The support shown by politicians for AIPAC and Israel is a reflection of the attitudes of their voters, not (as the left tries to pin everything they don't like on) big money. It's not creepy for a country to have close ties to another country that the majority of its citizens support.

 

[inthesomeday]

I mean... it’s not like that support is organic?

 

[Mouthwash]

I'm guessing this is the part where you explain that they're exposed to Jewish Zionist propaganda 24-7.

 

[Estebonrober]

I'm guessing this is the part where you explain that they're exposed to Jewish Zionist propaganda 24-7.

If it was just Zionism I'd be more sympathetic to Israel's power over US foreign policy. As it is, from my point of view, AIPAC's effectiveness is only possible because the death cult that evangelical Christianity has turned into pray for the return of Jesus. Which means it is not an altruistic support wishing prosperity on a beleaguered people, but a wish for their inevitable death. Which is so twisted I can;t truly put it into words honestly. Or maybe I did, idk.

 

[Mouthwash]

That's a lie. All the Christian Zionists I've known (and my dad has more than a few friends of their ilk) genuinely admire Israel and the Jews, and support us because they see us as a continuation of the biblical Israel.

 

[Estebonrober]

That's a lie. All the Christian Zionists I've known (and my dad has more than a few friends of their ilk) genuinely admire Israel and the Jews, and support us because they see us as a continuation of a Biblical people.

Well I've read interviews of more than a few and their intended consequence is the return of Jesus and the necessary end of the Jewish people. I mean I get that are friendly about it, but that doesn't change the intended purpose of the friendliness which is also why its hard to put into words how creepy it is.

 

[Lexicus]

That's a lie. All the Christian Zionists I've known (and my dad has more than a few friends of their ilk) genuinely admire Israel and the Jews, and support us because they see us as a continuation of the biblical Israel.

By definition Christian Zionists believe that the return of Jews to Israel is a necessary prelude to the apocalypse. Even if the Christian Zionists you have encountered did not believe this (which would make them....not actually Christian Zionists) consider that there are, at minimum, tens of millions of these people in the United States, and your dad's "more than a few friends" just may not constitute a representative sample.