I predict disaster for Facebook

I believe Facebook already failed.

Remember, Zuckerberg wanted Facebook to become "the whole web". By that, he meant to become the ultimate platform managing all other internet ressources... a competitor of Google.

This hasn't happened. Facebook has never succeeded to become anything else than a social network: which means a place where hords of people are happily wasting their time together on superficial chitchat.

Facebook wanted their user profile to becomes the key login to all websites over the world, and it appeared people didn't want to log on another website with their Facebook account. Some people may like to be tracked on anything they do over the web, most don't.

Facebook never succeeded to go beyond the whole exhibitionism/voyeurism logic that so happily enjoys its most active users. That wasn't Zuckerberg's purpose.
 
This might seem stupid or counterintuitive, but logging into sites with commentaries through Facebook might be an improvement - it's much different if someone with the username Pwn0zrz posts random spam, compared to being forced to have your real name (i.e Michael Blake would like to share with you the majesty of dick pills) as your actual username.

Because then we cease to be a random selection of symbols chained together, and we're sort-of humans once again.

Did that make sense?
 
Because then we cease to be a random selection of symbols chained together, and we're sort-of humans once again.

Did that make sense?
In real life, you speak every day with strangers without even knowing their names, and it has never disturbed you. When you go in a shop, the only thing which matters is that the shopkeeper helps you buying the thing you need, you don't care of whatever other aspects of his life. And he's still sort of human to you.

I hardly see why that logic shouldn't apply over the internet. As a matter of fact, this very forum CFC works with anonymity because what's enjoyable is to be only judged for what we say and not from where we say it.

With the Facebook ID logic, once you write a comment on a newspaper site, anyone is able to know what you've bought on Amazon, what movies you've rated on IMDb, which places you've visited on TripAdvisor, and how many kids you have... well on Facebook. What matters isn't what is said in your comment anymore, it's just you as a person.
 
This might seem stupid or counterintuitive, but logging into sites with commentaries through Facebook might be an improvement - it's much different if someone with the username Pwn0zrz posts random spam, compared to being forced to have your real name (i.e Michael Blake would like to share with you the majesty of dick pills) as your actual username.

Because then we cease to be a random selection of symbols chained together, and we're sort-of humans once again.

Did that make sense?

See Mise's post on the previous page.
 
Google irritates the hell out of me with their attempts to coerce you into google+ activation. I cannot leave reviews for android apps because I refuse to create a google+ account (or activate it on my google acct... whatever.) And the forced linking between youtube, gmail, etc is mindblowingly irritating. I actually created a separate google account for my phone when I stupidly switched from blackberry to an android device just to ensure google never links my main youtube/google/blah blah account with my phone account.

Technically i have G+ account, but I only use it for youtube and as a result I don't have an avatar on youtube since I need to go to the site to do that, which I refuse to do. I have never been on the site itself.
 
I think as long as procrastinating on the internet is a thing, Facebook will survive. Particularly now that they have cemented themselves as a major player in targeted web ads with internet marketing snake-oil people.

They're also still trying to take over phones with their new messenger thingy that I refuse to download or use.
 
Well 3 years later Facebook is still around and the stock is doing really well. They are even branching out to other industries including the purchase of drones.
 
Not to mention the whole Oculus VR thing. I think they are here to stay, for better or worse.
 
So in the future we all are going to look like this:

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May be interesting but looks somewhat stupid.
 
I think as long as procrastinating on the internet is a thing, Facebook will survive. Particularly now that they have cemented themselves as a major player in targeted web ads with internet marketing snake-oil people.

I dunno, I think they've about hit bottom with ads, I'm doubtful people will accept auto-playing video ads on mobile and they've showed some good news lately: Facebook Is Going To Suppress 'Click-Bait' Articles.
(Though they should straight up ban buzzfeed/upworthy shares like they do piratebay shares.)

They're also still trying to take over phones with their new messenger thingy that I refuse to download or use.

I don't get the hate for their messenger app - it doesn't do anything worse than main Facebook app and it's faster for messaging, which for a lot of people is the only Facebook feature they use on mobile.
 
Was MySpace ever really used by anyone over the age of 16, though? Facebook's way bigger and more widespread than MySpace ever was, and has a lot more features. Not to mention MySpace was a poorly designed mess.

I don't know. I had a MySpace account when I was older than 16, but I never really used it.

Apparently, Facebook is still going strong... Google+ tried to take on Facebook but failed miserably. There's currently no other social network that might change this in the short term.

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It's kind of odd when having more than 300 million users is considered failing miserably. Granted, it's questionable how many of those are real users and how many are people who only have it because of Google's prodding people to create one, and count as "active" because they use GMail or YouTube or something like that.

It's kinda like fast travel in Oblivion or Skyrim, if you don't want to fast travel, you just have to restrain yourself.

Me, I've never had much an issue with friending too many people. Almost all of my facebook friends are friends or acquaintances in real life, and at worst they're just friends/acquaintances from years ago I haven't been able to meet again.

That said, from personal observation, the people who have the most overabundance of friends tend to be older than me, at least in their mid-30s and up. The only exception would be this one guy who was in the same grade as me in high school, who has several thousand friends, but he's a politician/businessman/activist of sorts so it makes sense.

MySpace does look... messy. And it does remind me of teenagers from the turn of the millennium.

I think I've met all but one of the people who are my Facebook friends in real life, out of a sample in the 300-400 range. Most of them fall into the category of friends/acquaintances from years ago. Some of it definitely is having relatively low standards for Facebook friends early on, perhaps because (a) not many people were on Facebook when I joined, so you friended whoever was on it, and (b) it actually was used to organize events a few years ago, so you could find out about cool things going on by someone you knew, but not very well, inviting you to them.

These days I don't send out many friend requests, in part because I don't use Facebook very often. I'll still accept incoming ones at a similar rate, and if someone I knew in 9th grade friends me, I'll probably accept if only out of curiosity (and if appropriate put them on the less-information list). But it still works out to a much slower rate of growth than in 2006 - 2011.

MySpace of today is totally different than it was in 2004 - 2006, as in completely relaunched. So don't judge MySpace of a decade ago based on what it is now. Not that MySpace of a decade ago was necessarily better. It was just very different.

Google+ was a clear successor in terms of superior features, organization, community (no parents) but people were far too entrenches into Facebook to make the switch, and now FB took Google's best features and adapted them for their own use.

For that reason I don't see FB dying anytime soon. At least another decade.

I think Google Buzz contributed to Google+'s relative failure, too. Google Buzz came first, and Google forced it on everyone with GMail whether they wanted it or not. They burned a lot of bridges in terms of confidence in their ability to run a social network, in particular one with proper privacy controls, with Google Buzz. That was less than 18 months before Google+ launched, so people still remembered it.

Had Google Buzz not existed, and with proper publicity as well as less of a push to integrate Google+ with other services for people who didn't want it (YouTube being a good example), I think Google+ could have had a much better reputation and gained more traction.

Incidentally, it's still possible to keep your YouTube account separate from Google+, at least if you created it long enough ago. I created mine in 2007 before it was all integrated with Google, and it's still separate, although I've rarely used it.

In real life, you speak every day with strangers without even knowing their names, and it has never disturbed you. When you go in a shop, the only thing which matters is that the shopkeeper helps you buying the thing you need, you don't care of whatever other aspects of his life. And he's still sort of human to you.

I hardly see why that logic shouldn't apply over the internet. As a matter of fact, this very forum CFC works with anonymity because what's enjoyable is to be only judged for what we say and not from where we say it.

With the Facebook ID logic, once you write a comment on a newspaper site, anyone is able to know what you've bought on Amazon, what movies you've rated on IMDb, which places you've visited on TripAdvisor, and how many kids you have... well on Facebook. What matters isn't what is said in your comment anymore, it's just you as a person.

I agree with Marla. Facebook did actually try to push greater integration automatically once, with Facebook Beacon, which would publish items that people bought on certain websites on Facebook automatically, without an opt-in. It ended up getting a lot of backlash since it was publishing things such as Christmas presents, engagement rings, and the like before people wanted it to be known that they'd bought them.
 
I don't get the hate for their messenger app - it doesn't do anything worse than main Facebook app and it's faster for messaging, which for a lot of people is the only Facebook feature they use on mobile.

It's just kind of bloatware-y. Why do I need a second app for something the main app should already be perfectly capable of?
 
It's much easier to access as a separate app and doesn't require me to load up Facebook and all the gubbins that entails. It also allows developers to work on Messenger features without screwing/clogging up the Facebook app.
 
It's much easier to access as a separate app and doesn't require me to load up Facebook and all the gubbins that entails. It also allows developers to work on Messenger features without screwing/clogging up the Facebook app.

I am using an old phone and the whole separate app just made the experience slower and more buggy than usual.
 
It's just kind of bloatware-y. Why do I need a second app for something the main app should already be perfectly capable of?

It's the exact opposite of bloatware. It's like Mozilla splitting the Mozilla suite into Firefox and Thunderbird instead of keeping an email client in the browser.

And like Mise said, then you don't have to download a browser update every time there's an update to your email client.
 
They only split it into multiple apps because the spyware permissions on the main app weren't good enough.
 
They only split it into multiple apps because the spyware permissions on the main app weren't good enough.

Are you just making this up out of nowhere now?

The messenger app needs almost nearly universally fewer permissions than the main app, the only extra permissions it has are SMS permissions, which it needs to function as a messenger app from which you can send SMS messages. That's like complaining that Snapchat requires camera permissions.

Seriously, pretty much every single permission it needs is for a feature the app uses: http://mashable.com/2014/08/11/stop-freaking-out-about-facebook-messenger-app-permissions/

If you don't like it, use a permissions manager and break that part of the app.
 
Some of those are a bit greedy, because of the way Android's intent system works. Instead of asking for camera access, it can ask the OS to load the camera and return the resulting picture to the app. Same with making phone calls etc. It doesn't need to do this within the app; it can simply send the intent to the OS to make a call. Unless it's actually adding useful functionality that the OS's (or 3rd party) camera or phone app can't do, then this is all completely useless.
 
I much prefer having a separate FB chat app personaly. Which the computer-based one was still functional instead of having been scrapped a while ago. Would much rather receive my computer messages on a dedicated app than on a FB tab that may or may not be open when I get messaged.
 
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