Murky
Deity
I know enough to know that it doesn't interest me.
So I finally found a real communist.
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I know enough to know that it doesn't interest me.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
But apparently not enough to actually know anything about it at all, as evidenced by your incorrect statement quoted previously.
Murky
Deity
I read the wiki page on it. Does that count? The way I see it, communism is a fringe movement just as objectivism is a fringe movement. It might exist in isolated regions where people are more willing to adopt it as their way of life. That is if the external capitalists would tolerate it, which historically they haven't been inclined to do so.
I don't know if you noticed or not but most of the world is capitalist. To be a communist in a capitalist world is like trying to swim upstream, against a strong current.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
It's better than nothing. Do you understand why your statement before was wrong?
You understand that half the world was once communist, right? Hundreds of millions of people, organized and armed to the teeth to defend their way of life from just the capitalist tendency you described.
Do you think the world has never been changed before? That it existed in eternity as it always has now? Historically speaking, it wasn't that long ago that people scoffed at capitalism for all the same reasons you have given: infeasible, it goes against human nature, most of the world is mercantilist or feudal. Or what of the cause of democracy? Upon abolition of the monarchy, France was beset upon by every other country in Europe, intent on smothering out its infant republic. Apply your argument to republicanism! The whole world was monarchist, trying to undo that is swimming upstream against a strong current. It was against human nature, according to much of philosophy and conventional wisdom at the time - man was meant to be ruled rightfully by a king emulating and entitled by God himself, The People were incapable of ruling the country themselves, etc etc.
You seem to be operating under the idea that I'm some sort of ignorant fool, and you're showing me the light of reason that I had just never seen nor thought of before. Don't make that assumption. I know the task before us is grand. That doesn't make it impossible or undesirable. It's difficulty surely doesn't excuse us from abandoning it. I think the cause of permanent human liberation is a worthy struggle, don't you?
Quackers
The Frog
I have dug my own grave on this forum a few times but Murky your demonstrating a master class of it!
Murky
Deity
One man's liberation is another man's nightmare.
How so? Does giving my honest opinion offend you?
holy king
Deity
when someone tells you "you are digging your own grave" you hear "you are offending me"?
Murky
Deity
People shouldn't be offended if I'm giving an opinion about an issue and not them in particular. I certainly didn't intend any offense by my comments.
You do need to understand that this is an international forum with a diversity of political and economic backgrounds. I get that people are passionate about things. Some of the objectivists would probably take offense at being called a fringe group too but you don't see them complaining about it.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Unless it's a capitalist "liberation", presumably.
IdiotsOpposite
Boom, headshot.
Seriously, if you're looking for "real" Communists, go to Ask a Red. I learn quite a lot about Communism and its various derivatives just from being subscribed there.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
What is nightmarish for you about it? The only people who should have nightmares about the coming of communism are the plutocratic expropriators of wealth who rule our world. You, as ome of the many people not of that small category, have so much to win by it. So dont fear it, fight for it!
holy king
Deity
you know, communication is a bit more than a mere succession of signals.
first you assume someone who is trying to tell you that you are demonstrating your ingnorance by saying "you are digging your own grave, watch out" is offended by you.
this does not make any sense.o
then, when i tried to spotlight this nonsensical assertion of yours for you, you answer by saying that people shouldnt be offended and you didnt mean no offense anyway.
this does not make any sense either.
ParkCungHee
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Give it up Holy King, it's clear what happened here. Being the dyed in the wool Bolshevik he is, Quackers was clearly offended by the expression of non-communist beliefs, and for some reason only Murky's non-communist beliefs. He then chose to express this offense through saying something completely different.
Murky
Deity
Why attack me instead of my what I said? If it's not true then demonstrate that isn't true. I don't think my original statement was that far off the mark. When I talked about communists dreaming of a state run utopia, maybe just replace "state run" with egalitarian. Regardless, it's still made out to be better than reality would indicate.
Again, attacking me for my opinion instead of describing why it's wrong. You are just putting words in place of my own now. I never called anyone a "Bolshevik."
If this is what communism is all about then I definitely don't want to have anything to do with it.
China imprisons and/or executes their anti-communists dissidents. The Soviets would either purge them or throw then into hellish gulags (forced labor camps).
I don't get how people think that is the solution to all the world's problems.
holy king
Deity
i did not attack you, i just summed up quackers post. who wasnt attacking you but warning you of not making yourself look like a fool.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I don't see what either China or the Soviet Union have to do with communism.
eduhum
Aahh the gold old days...
The first and only truy communist community in history, has been, paradoxically, the first Christians.
As the Bible says: 'The romans were confused, as the Christians shared with everyone everything except their wives, contrarily to them'
When the movement began to grow and grow in the end of the Roman empire that situation began change naturally
As the Bible says: 'The romans were confused, as the Christians shared with everyone everything except their wives, contrarily to them'
When the movement began to grow and grow in the end of the Roman empire that situation began change naturally
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Does Estonian lack the same distinction between definite and indefinite nouns as Russian does?
