If a new international language was being constructed, what would you want in it?

Winner

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(EDIT: READ THE OP BEFORE POSTING, THANKS :cringe: )

Imagine that the UN decides to do something useful for a change (instead of issuing one useless anti-Israeli resolution after another :mischief: ) and establishes a panel of experts entrusted with the task of constructing a new artificial international language of commerce, science and diplomacy. I hope I don't have to explain why this would be beneficial to the world, so here is just a few reasons:

  • the new language would be neutral, not spoken by any single nation and thus less prone to be shunned for cultural/nationalistic reasons. Yes, this can be a major impediment.
  • it would be much easier than any natural language in existence. Or at least this would be the goal.
  • it would facilitate transnational exchange of ideas and make professional communication between people from different parts of the world easier. Just think about how many ideas, inventions and concepts dwell in obscurity because their authors simply don't speak any of the presently used major languages. This can be a serious problem for one's career.
  • it would become the main language of diplomacy, reducing the costs associated with translation and confusion which so often results from incorrect interpretation of statements issues by other countries/leaders. As a result, international conflicts would be made a tiny bit less likely.

And so on, and so forth. Of course some of you are going to ask "But hey, Winner, you speak some sort of remotely understandable form of (Cz)english, just like many other people around the world. Why make a new international language when we already have one?"

We don't. The number of people who don't speak English is far greater than the number of those who do. It may currently be the most used in the fields I mentioned (business, science, diplomacy, etc.), but it is far from being universally accepted. In some regions, English plays only a minor role (try traveling in Central Asia without speaking Russian...). Worse, English as an international language is pretty West-centric and it is perceived as such by many people in non-Western societies. It is possible that in the future when the West will play lesser role in the world, other languages may successfully surpass it in some regions (let's consider the future role of China in East Asia, for instance).

Simply put, everybody would profit if we had a neutral, easy-to-learn artificial language, not meant for everyday communication but as a language of commerce, science, technology, diplomacy, (and tourism?), simply put all the stuff you need to keep a globalized world functioning.

I am asking what features would you like to have in it.

Here is what I want:

  1. Easy pronunciation. Because phonology differs markedly among various languages, it should stick with sounds that are clear and not difficult to pronounce for any human, regardless to his cultural background. Yes, it would severely limit the new language, but since it is not meant for ordinary, everyday communication, it wouldn't be a problem. {No, English doesn't have an easy pronunciation and those foreign learners who think so usually speak with a strong accent :ack: Phonemes like /θ/ (as in think) or /ð/ (then) are just as difficult to pronounce properly as the Czech /r̝/ (Říp), not to mention all the dialect-specific vowels. Difficult sounds like these would not be present in the new international language.}
  2. Easy grammar. This means regular, predictable grammar with only minimum amount of exceptions. Most learners of foreign languages spend most time learning why certain rules don't apply in specific situations. It is often very frustrating, difficult and, more than anything else, illogical. If I need to go into more detail, I'd prefer a language with no inflections whatsoever, a simplified system of tenses (3 would suffice), an analytical one (meaning is created by combining isolated noninflected words put in correct order) with minimum amount of sexism (grammatical genders cause all sorts of problems). I'd also drop articles (a, an, the and zero in English) and use other determiners when needed. {Yeah, I am biased because I am Czech. We don't use articles and don't seem to have a problem with it. Sure it would be more difficult to implement in a more analytical language like English, but it's not undoable.}
  3. Absence of idioms and unnecessary collocations, or at least near absence. Yes, you read correctly. Along with irregular grammar, this is the single most difficult thing to learn, and only a few foreigners manage to learn them all (or at least enough of them to pass for native speakers). I'd also reduce the number of phrasal verbs if possible, or at least create clear rules governing their formation.

What do you suggest? My grasp of linguistics is extremely limited, so I'd like to hear opinions of those more qualified on this forum :)

Keep in mind that this language would be more of a tool, something of a professional 'jargon' for diplomats, businessmen, scientists, philosophers, bureaucrats, politicians, etc. It is not supposed to sound very nice, feel "natural" and "smooth" (as these qualities are usually associated with irregularities), or to become a new language for poets and writers. It should be a practical instrument of communication, nothing more and nothing less.
 
7 "persons" - Quechua has 2 first person plurals ("Me and you" plus "me and them, but not you"), which helps eliminate ambiguities, but I have never seen it in any other language (though I am sure it exists).
 
This doesn't strike me as "easy". As I said, the new language should be as easy as possible, so there will be some trade-offs.
 
I would want it to be English.
 
This doesn't strike me as "easy". As I said, the new language should be as easy as possible, so there will be some trade-offs.

What's "difficult" about it? One extra conjugation to learn, shouldn't be hard. And I would say a language intended for international diplomacy and the like had best have as few ambiguities as possible.
 
What's "difficult" about it? One extra conjugation to learn, shouldn't be hard. And I would say a language intended for international diplomacy and the like had best have as few ambiguities as possible.

I simply don't think this would be the best way to deal with ambiguities. It's uncommon, strange, and it goes against the spirit of the proposition.
 
A perfect language would have to consist of as many composite words as possible, so that the meaning of them would be both obvious and connected to other, more fundamental, terms. Greek is the king of languages in that respect since thousants of such words exist, unlike in english where the vast majority of words is either unintelligible as far as any connection to a meaning that is not transerred to it by agreement goes.
 
I simply don't think this would be the best way to deal with ambiguities. It's uncommon, strange, and it goes against the spirit of the proposition.

Sure it's uncommon, but how does it go against the spirit of the proposition? It is no weirder than a second person plural, which many languages don't bother with.
 
I reject this language on the grounds that it is constructed, and is therefore culturally alien to me. So I'm afraid I don't have any constructive linguistical comments about it. Doing stuff like banning idiomatic expressions, while having the benefit of excluding Chinese in its entirety, is a great way to make communication and thought boring and repetitive. Lulz will be much harder to come by in a language that is ostensibly geared solely towards clear usage.
 
And I would like if people first read the OP before posting... :ack:

Well after reading the OP I unspurprisingly haven't changed my mind. Especially the bit where you say that it should be for communication at the highest levels of education and diplomacy. English is already used for that. Whats the point?

I think I'm being neutral in my opinion here. I mean English isn't even my native tongue.
 
i know you said it shouldn't be english, but the fact is that english is the most widely spoken language in the world. surely it would be easier to get the ~5 billion people to speak english than it would be to get 7 billion people to speak some artificial language? it seems like an exercise in futility.

Keep in mind that this language would be more of a tool, something of a professional 'jargon' for diplomats, businessmen, scientists, philosophers, bureaucrats, politicians, etc. It is not supposed to sound very nice, feel "natural" and "smooth" (as these qualities are usually associated with irregularities), or to become a new language for poets and writers. It should be a practical instrument of communication, nothing more and nothing less.
however, the vast majority of diplomats, businessmen, scientists, philosophers, bureaucrats, politicians already speak at least a little english... having to learn a whole new vocabulary sounds rather like a waste of time. i don't think it could possibly catch on.


anyway, addressing this purely as a hypothetical, i would say that the following are very important in making a language easy to learn:

-regularity in verbs. just one system, that works for all verbs, common or uncommon. no conjugations, no irregularities.
-no genders
-simple plurals - just adding one letter to the end of a noun.
-no agreement between adjectives and nouns
-negation by just one word - adding one word to a sentence for not, a different word for never, a different word for not much etc.
-no peculiar pronunciation - all words are phonetic.
 
Latin worked just fine for centuries, for the purposes mentioned in the OT. It was a global (or rather, Western) language of educated people.
 
Am I talking to a bunch of deaf (or, in this case, blind) people? :twitch:

It's not going to be English - get over it. I explained some of the reasons in the OP. Simply accept this as a hypothetical scenario: a new international language is being constructed. It's not English. It's not even based on English. In fact, it's not based on any of the natural languages currently in use, though it might share several features with some of them.

It's irrelevant which language is the most used today, that's not what this thread is about. Please stick to the topic.
 
The Korean alphabet has always struck me as being the most logical. A global language should probably use it.

Ooh, yeah, I like it, "logical" is a good way to describe it. Or at least if not Hangul specifically, a system that uses the same principles.
 
The Korean alphabet has always struck me as being the most logical. A global language should probably use it.

Maybe it could use the phonetic alphabet, of course provided that people stick to the proper pronunciation (it would have to be heavily regulated, unlike English).

Anyway, alphabet is the last thing I though about, I am more interested in the language itself.
 
Am I talking to a bunch of deaf (or, in this case, blind) people? :twitch:

It's not going to be English - get over it. I explained some of the reasons in the OP. Simply accept this as a hypothetical scenario: a new international language is being constructed. It's not English. It's not even based on English. In fact, it's not based on any of the natural languages currently in use, though it might share several features with some of them.

It's irrelevant which language is the most used today, that's not what this thread is about. Please stick to the topic.
The problem is that an imposed and constructed lingua franca for technical and non-everyday use isn't self-evidently a good idea. Besides, if you start a thread asking people how to untie a Gordian knot, don't be surprised if you get suggestions telling you to cut it instead.
 
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