If A Woman Rapes You Should You Still Have To Pay Child Support?

[Zelig]

That's why you don't screw woman heavier than you can lift.

I can lift 400 lbs!

 

[MobBoss]

True. But that's all the info we have at the moment, and it seems like it'd be a bit silly to lie about something as verifiable as their relative sizes. (And based on the pictures in the article, it doesn't seem farfetched -- he looked considerably less buff at 17.)

Verifiable? How? I remind you that this case is three years old. Sure he looked less buff, but that could have been just the photo, and fwiw, she didnt look like she significantly outweighed him enough to pin him down and force sex.

I also remind you that they had been having sex for awhile and he had previously gotten her pregnant.

But our criminal justice system doesn't run on reasonable statistical supposition, it runs on facts provable in a court of law.

Thats true, and in this case he cant prove he was raped.

How do you get tricked into that? No matter what contraceptive you use, there is always a risk anyway, so you should NEVER have sex regardless unless you are prepared to be a father. No sympathies at all, ever, for any guy "tricked" into being a father. Don't want the risk? Don't stick it in.

I disagree with this sentiment.

I agree with VRWCAgent. No method of birth control is 100%. That being the case if you engage in sex you need to be prepared to deal with the actual result.

When a woman is on top of you the leverage isn't very good so it can be hard. Also if you can't get it out she can continue stimulating so basically you are screwed err screwing?

I thought you were a virgin? But just speaking from experience D) unless the woman is significantly larger and stronger than you, there are a variety of ways to interrupt the act or even render it impossible. Thats also why I have a really hard time believing his story.

 

[civ_king]

That's why you don't screw woman heavier than you can lift.


That's why you practice holding back even despite continued stimulation. This is important for stamina too. A woman won't respect you if she can make you bust in a few minutes.

You understand what leverage is right?

eh?

Verifiable? How? I remind you that this case is three years old. Sure he looked less buff, but that could have been just the photo, and fwiw, she didnt look like she significantly outweighed him enough to pin him down and force sex.

I also remind you that they had been having sex for awhile and he had previously gotten her pregnant.



Thats true, and in this case he cant prove he was raped.





I agree with VRWCAgent. No method of birth control is 100%. That being the case if you engage in sex you need to be prepared to deal with the actual result.



I thought you were a virgin? But just speaking from experience D) unless the woman is significantly larger and stronger than you, there are a variety of ways to interrupt the act or even render it impossible. Thats also why I have a really hard time believing his story.

How exactly am I supposed to know just how a man having sex with a woman? Like for example wassup with breasts? Why do so many men love them? What exactly are you supposed to do with them? Squeeze them, jiggle them, massage them, whatever, what's the point? I don't understand.

 

[Defiant47]

I agree with VRWCAgent. No method of birth control is 100%. That being the case if you engage in sex you need to be prepared to deal with the actual result.

Should you likewise be prepared to live your life in a wheelchair if you get in a car? No car is 100% accident-proof.

Mind you, it's not bad advice... but the sentiment is one I disagree with.

 

[LucyDuke]

Yeah, I concede that hitting her in a bruisy way probably would've been a bad idea. Fighting back somehow, though, it's tough to believe he couldn't've stopped it. Maybe just hold your wiener? She can't make much use of it if he's holding it.

(Mandatory: Doesn't excuse rape.)

Like for example wassup with breasts? Why do so many men love them? What exactly are you supposed to do with them? Squeeze them, jiggle them, massage them, whatever, what's the point? I don't understand.

Please do. It feels good when they're played with, and they're fun to play with.

 

[Syterion]

I can lift 400 lbs!

That's on a bar. Try lifting a 400 pound heavy bag or sack of potatoes.

 

[civ_king]

Yeah, I concede that hitting her in a bruisy way probably would've been a bad idea. Fighting back somehow, though, it's tough to believe he couldn't've stopped it. Maybe just hold your wiener? She can't make much use of it if he's holding it.

(Mandatory: Doesn't excuse rape.)



Please do. It feels good when they're played with, and they're fun to play with.

uhh





The only thing that really intrigues me is what does breast milk taste like, and maybe what is it like to drink breast milk straight from the source

 

[LucyDuke]

Boobs? responding to boobs? Seriously? Boobs?

 

[civ_king]

Boobs? responding to boobs? Seriously? Boobs?

No, I think boobs are a wonderful thing, the vomit was in response to

It feels good when they're played with, and they're fun to play with.

I've always seen them as a mens to feed babies and frankly find it adorable for a woman to breastfeed a baby. I guess I have the opposite reaction most men have to breasts.

 

[LucyDuke]

Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, boobs are erogenous. There's not really much more to say than what I've said, though. Can't help that you don't dig it. But I'm not sure how having boobs in your face complicates keeping your wiener where you want it (or don't).

 

[wolfigor]

Imagine the case where a man lies and says he's had a vasectomy: should the woman be liable for that pregnancy?

The woman in this case has the possibility to choose to interrupt the pregnancy: morning after pill, RU486, "standard" abortion, just to quote a few possibilities.
The man has no voice in the decision.

 

[Zelig]

That's on a bar. Try lifting a 400 pound heavy bag or sack of potatoes.

I can attached handles to my women.

 

[IglooDame]

Good point. Just don't have sex with an woman capable of overpowering you. Unless you're quite the wimp this shouldn't be much of a problem.

Also, if the woman stops & you truly don't want to continue, pull the **** out. If you don't even have the self-control for this you shouldn't be even having sex. Guys should practice masturbating & then stop without finishing once in awhile to build up willpower so you can not feel like you "must" finish every time. Then if a woman ever pisses you off during sex (or tries to rape you) you can just stop.

Being addicted to finishing is a bad habit & woman can use it against you.

Sorry, I just had this image of a Rocky-like training montage except for sex rather than boxing. I daresay I'll never hear "Eye of the Tiger" the same way ever again.

I thought you were a virgin? But just speaking from experience D) unless the woman is significantly larger and stronger than you, there are a variety of ways to interrupt the act or even render it impossible. Thats also why I have a really hard time believing his story.

Sure, on a bed, but I can readily imagine that in the cramped spaces of a car's backseat that the options may be very limited.

I've always seen them as a mens to feed babies and frankly find it adorable for a woman to breastfeed a baby. I guess I have the opposite reaction most men have to breasts.

Yep. Can't explain it, but they do catch the eye.

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Please keep to a PG-13 standard, and return to the topic of the thread (which isn't really about sex itself).

 

[MobBoss]

Should you likewise be prepared to live your life in a wheelchair if you get in a car? No car is 100% accident-proof.

Mind you, it's not bad advice... but the sentiment is one I disagree with.

As to the car....do you buy insurance for it?

Well, there you go...I guess you DO prepare for such an accident - if your're smart.

Sure, on a bed, but I can readily imagine that in the cramped spaces of a car's backseat that the options may be very limited.

No. I've got some experience in the back seat of a '72 camaro too. Talk about cramped!!

 

[warpus]

Dudes, I didn't read the thread (no time right now), but I know of cases where a guy had to make child support payments to a kid he was not even the father of! Something that was proven with dna testing.. That's right, he was not the actual father and the courts decided that he had to make child support payments anyway.

The odds are stacked against us dudes when it comes to rights surrounding childbirth and children. Not to say that the guy in this particular story is in the right, but..

 

[Defiant47]

As to the car....do you buy insurance for it?

Well, there you go...I guess you DO prepare for such an accident - if your're smart.

That covers the financial portion of it, or rather, I have insurance on my car simply to cover the financial portion of it; it doesn't address the hardship endured in losing limbs. (I hardly think buying "condom insurance" would truly address the issues and risks in having sex)

Specific example not being the point, I could have likewise pointed out walking down the street - it's never 100% that you're not going to get run over by some drunk miscreant.

It feels to me like a lot of people like to put the onus on the person having sex, in order to give a sense of blame or deservedness (typically because these people disapprove of sex outside specific contexts). A person walking down the street being hit by a car has to live with the consequences and choice he's made of walking down the street, just like a person has to deal with an unwanted pregnancy. But in general, people will feel sorry for the first, and say derisive comments about the second in terms of the blame and deservedness I'd mentioned earlier.

It is a standpoint that is all too pervasive, in my opinion.

 

[MobBoss]

Dudes, I didn't read the thread (no time right now), but I know of cases where a guy had to make child support payments to a kid he was not even the father of! Something that was proven with dna testing.. That's right, he was not the actual father and the courts decided that he had to make child support payments anyway.

The odds are stacked against us dudes when it comes to rights surrounding childbirth and children. Not to say that the guy in this particular story is in the right, but..

This can occur in several circumstances. One being if the guy adopted the womans children he then becomes legally bound to support kids that arent his by birth.

@Defiant: well, the onus can only go 1 of 2 places. Either on those having sex, or on the baby resulting from them having sex. Engaging in sex is a voluntary act - getting hit by a car while walking isnt. I sincerely hope you can see the difference there.

 

[Defiant47]

@Defiant: well, the onus can only go 1 of 2 places. Either on those having sex, or on the baby resulting from them having sex. Engaging in sex is a voluntary act - getting hit by a car while walking isnt. I sincerely hope you can see the difference there.

Walking down the street is a voluntary act - the condom breaking isn't.

No, there isn't a difference because both are actions taken to achieve personal gain or happiness, with a very small risk of downside inherent in the course of life.

The onus doesn't have to go anywhere. The couple has to live with the consequences, yes (just like the paraplegic who got hit by a car), but they're not at any "fault".

 

[MobBoss]

Walking down the street is a voluntary act - the condom breaking isn't.

Except those arent comparable. At all. They are entirely two different things.

Walking down the street is comparable with engaging in sex. Both are voluntary. Both carry certain risk.

I also humbly submit that the odds of a condom breaking during sex are probably quite a bit higher than a pedestrian getting hit by a car on the sidewalk.

You need a better analogy. Badly.

No, there isn't a difference because both are actions taken to achieve personal gain or happiness, with a very small risk of downside inherent in the course of life.

Again, there is far more risk involved in having sex than there is walking down the street. I mean, that is so common sense, I cant even believe its being brought up.

The onus doesn't have to go anywhere. The couple has to live with the consequences, yes (just like the paraplegic who got hit by a car), but they're not at any "fault".

Of course they are at 'fault' seeing as how they are engaging in an act that has a high chance of resulting in pregnancy. Far in excess of ones chance of being hit by a car while walking down the sidewalk, not to mention the fact that the exact biological imperative of having sex is procreation......

Your point fails because people expect and know that sex will result in pregnancy, even protected sex. Its why we have a sex ed class in schools. Do schools offer a sidewalk walking class in order to avoid being hit by a car? No?

Figure it out.