[RD] I'm transitioning. If you've ever been confused about the T in LGBT, ask me anything

My personality and mindset dominates to masculine as a general rule of thumb but it can certainly be feminine from time to time. Like I said before, I suspect this is very normal and natural.

edit: I've had gay men presume I was gay within minutes of meeting me before. I've been told I give off a 'gay' vibe even though I certainly wouldn't identify as gay. They probably made the mistake of effeminate=gay.
 
Gender is an extremely complex issue, and to be honest it's really silly that Western civilization has tried to simplify it into two, mutually exclusive labels.

You see this as a uniquely western thing? Are there any civilizations for which this is not mostly true?
 
Well, there are the Fa'afafine of Samoa, who are widely seen as a third gender.
 
A huge part of European colonialism involved the massive persecution and destruction of gender-nonconforming people. In early modern language, the term "eunuch" was used to refer to people who did not fit adequately into the male-female binary, and these people were among the first to be jailed, persecuted, or killed when Europeans arrived. The enormous prevalence of binarism around the world today is a direct consequence of this erasure of native culture.
 
I'd like to contest this. It seems to me that women and homosexuals, transgender, etc get treated worse in the Islamic world than in the western world.

We are speaking exclusively of non-binary genders right now though, not women or homosexuals (transgender is really only a category we can use to refer to gender-nonconforming people in Western civilization, since it is here that we are oppressed by being denied our gender). There is a strong intolerance of these people in some parts of the Muslim world, but in others, like Iran for example, transgender rights are quite progressive even compared to the West.
 
Iran has a solid record of transgender rights? I've never heard this.

My cousin (who is an Iranian American, who has been to Iran) used to date a transgender person herself, and ever since she's been an advocate for LBGT rights. She said transgender people in Iran actually have it pretty horrible, and some of them are denied service in places like restaurants.
 
I didn't say solid record, I said that Iran was fairly progressive compared to some other countries, especially those in the region.

And by the way, in the US transgender people are treated quite horribly. Dozens are murdered every year, many under entirely legal circumstances. We are routinely mocked and villified and made to feel unsafe simply by being in public. So let's not jump to any condemnations of other countries' horrible treatment of transgender people while our own closet is so very full of transgender skeletons.
 
"dozens are murdered every year" means very little. Thousands of Americans are murdered every year, whether they are transgender or not. If even 1% people homicide victims happen to be transgender, I would expect it to be more than "dozens".

that said, the "homosexual panic" law seems absurd and I agree it should be abolished. I also thought you explicitly said Iran has better transgender rights than the United States. Which I find unlikely.

edit: You actually said Iran's stance on transgender is progressive "even compared to the west". This was the part I'm challenging. As an Iranian-American, mind you.

The truth is I imagine transgendered people are going face discrimination in literally every single country on earth, some countries are simply less bad than others.
 
"dozens are murdered every year" means very little. Thousands of Americans are murdered every year, whether they are transgender or not. If even 1% people homicide victims happen to be transgender, I would expect it to be more than "dozens".

When you consider what percentage of the population is openly transgender (certainly less than 1%) and the circumstances that surround these murders, which are always targeted hate crimes directed at them because they are transgender, then the issue becomes quite a large one.

It is certainly a large issue to us transgender people.

But this is straying from the purpose of Contre's thread, which is to be informative and not debative. Let us now return to that format.
 
I won't lie and say I know, because I don't. Not as a means of debate just because I'm genuinely curious. Is there a source that says:

1) transgender people are more likely to be murdered per capita
2) just about every single time they were murdered specifically because they were transgender, not because they are a person who happened to be transgender.

Again, I'm not arguing. I'm just saying I genuinely don't know.
 
cake:

homosexual =/= transgender

also

transgender =/= SRS

can you at least try to process these points before asking more questions?
 
Yes, a homosexual is someone who identifies as their own gender, but simply is also attracted to the same gender to which they identify.

Transgender is someone who identifies as a different gender than what they were born with.

SRS is the surgery which people who identify as transgender will go through, supposing they have the time+money and are generally comfortable with it.

That is simple to understand, and I'm unsure how I give off the vibe I don't understand.

Although what I was wondering is whether or not transgender people are being murdered more than average per capita.

edit: also, I'm not as dumb as you and cheezy make it out to be. Even if transgender people are NOT being murdered more than average per capita, doesn't mean don't they face discrimination. I know they face lots of discrimination, I've seen that much with my own eyes.


Never mind, I'll just take Cheezy's word for it. Since he obviously knows more about it than I do.
edit 2: fixed a horrible typo
 
To people transitioning: How do you feel about the ageing process and how it will affect your looks?

Is it bad that I don't? Because that's my awnser; I really don't. I have a hard time seeing myself in the future six months from now due to my present situation; decades down the road is unfathomable to me.

Hi Darsnan! Thanks for your post. It's the first account I've read from a transparent's perspective. :)

I have a question about this part though. contre and Omega can probably answer about the topic as well, but: It was your job to communicate the news to your family? Was that a coordinated decision? Did both your daughter and you think it was easier that way? Was it too hard/easier on her if you did it, or did you think it was strategically smarter if you talked with them first? contre's wife talked about it to her parents without contre there, which was a strategic decision. Is this a very common way to do it? Or do other transgendered decide to do it all by themselves?

I told everyone who knows about my transgender status myself. To out someone else is, imo, extremely rude and I would not tolerate people doing it for me. Most people I know also tend to do the coming out themselves, just because, people tend to like controlling who knows and yo the extent that they know.

Which brings me to:I'm not sure if you should necessarily read any specific moral judgment into the "Did I do anything wrong?" question. I think it's more a parent's reaction to learning that all the fundamental assumptions they thought they could make about their child might not be correct.

Whether it is being transgendered, or homosexual, or not sharing the parents' religion or even football team allegiance, it's a totally unexpected development which the parents just had never considered by then.

Sure, you can say that that being transgendered doesn't do anyone else any harm, but while that is true, I don't think that has anything to do with the reaction itself. And, since it isn't really a problem, most parents should be able to accept it after having processed it, I imagine. :)

Anyway, that is my interpretation of that question and reaction which parents often seem to have. Does that seem somewhat more logical to you

No, that really doesn't help at all, sorry. All you said seems to be "its unexpected, so therefore I did something wrong". But unexpected stuff happens to everyone and their children, and rarely the reaction is that negative. In fact, I can't think of much examples where I can think an unexpected relavation would bring that much negativity (maybe being found out your kid is a criminal? Even then I feel parents are more willing to engage in mental gymnastics to keep their perception of their sweet baby alive) There has to be something underlying to have someone question why they screwed up raising their kid after they come out as LGBT, something more than just "it's unexpected"

Isn't transgender also an adjective? So calling you transgendered is describing an intrinsic part of you? Or?

That's my point, actually. Transgender is an adjective. Adjectives do not have a past form. You don't say something was greened, or larged, or heavied. Likewise, we do not transgendered, because -ed is for past term verbs, not adjectives. It doesn't make grammatical sense, and the implications are rude. So please, can you just say trans(gender) person? Or even just trans if the adjectival form is too much for you? The verb form really makes you sound ignorant and is rude.

I hope this question doesn't come as offensive

Do most transgender women want to date trangendermen, cis men, does it make a difference. Or are most of them identifying as lesbians, like you are?

In terms of being gay or straight, Page 29 of this study claims that transwomen at least are relatively equally split between being straight, bi and lesbian. Less identity as pure straight compared to the other two but my best guess is sample bias

In terms of being able to date other trans people, I think the awnser is a resounding yes. Honestly it would be hypocritical to the highest degree for a trans person to refuse to date another trans person. We got to stick together, can't leave our own to the curb.

That being said, my bf is cisgender. Just circumstance though; if he was a trans man I'd still love him just the same (but I'd want to steal his ore transisition body, and likely vice versa).

edit: Cheezy also mentioned being 'genderfluid' and I've literally never heard that term before so I had to look it up. It seems to mean someone that is a combination of both male and female. Not in terms of their actual genders, but their mindset. I would say I lean towards feeling male but I have effemininte parts to my personality. I'd say I find about 10% of guys attractive... although I'm much more likely to find a woman attractive. To this extent, I would say 'genderfluid" is actually very normal and typical, even if we are socially taught not to be that way.

Ok, so a little off topic, but I want to plug a webcomic that I follow.

Its called Rain, and the premise is a trans girl trying to stealthily (aka without others knowing) transition. Even if I wasn't trans, it's still a really well written series, and the art might be kind of bad at first but it gets better later on and develops sort of an animeesque charm to it.

But the real reason I want to plug it is that one of the major characters, who is introduced later on, is a genderfluid kid named Ky. Ky is a really good crash course in exactly how genderfluidism, as s/he shifts between male, female, and even asexual presentations. Theres not really a lot of genderfluidism represented in media at all (and very few positive trans characters) and I think this webcomic is good to help people see a visualization of gender identity minorities.

Iran has a solid record of transgender rights? I've never heard this.

My cousin (who is an Iranian American, who has been to Iran) used to date a transgender person herself, and ever since she's been an advocate for LBGT rights. She said transgender people in Iran actually have it pretty horrible, and some of them are denied service in places like restaurants.

Oh yes. The Iranian government will fully pay for someone's transisition and help integrate them in their preferred gender. It stems from the fact that, unlike homosexuality, nothing in the Koran explicitly denounces transgenderism, and the Atoyallah was moved by a trans person's personal story when they talked.

The only issue is, of course, you're still in Iran. Ignoring the fact that Iranian society is not as accepting as the government is, homosexuality is still illegal, Islam is the state religion, and for trans women, women's rights are... questionable from a western standard (Although I'll admit Iran is one of the better places in the Middle East to be a woman). As a gynosexual atheist western transwoman, if I emigrated to Iran, I'd be forced to be with a man after I transition (in fact Iran is starting to force transitions on cisgender homosexuals, which is absulotely terrible since they will start suffering the same mental issues pre transisition trans people go through), probably be forced to convert to Islam (and follow its rules in dress, which admittingly the head scarves are cute but it's the principle here), and while I may want to be the submissive in a relationship, I like feminism for letting me have the choice rather than being legally forced to.
 
The Iranian government pays for trans people to have SRS? That is wonderful, and gives me hope for the regime.
 
The Iranian government pays for trans people to have SRS? That is wonderful, and gives me hope for the regime.

Well, they also prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality and ban women from watching men's sports. I'm not trying to shill for Iran at all. It just operates on a moral scale divorced from Western society

You see this as a uniquely western thing? Are there any civilizations for which this is not mostly true?

There's a lot of examples of this actually, the most famous example likely being the kathoey in Thailand. But there's the two spirits in many Native American cultures, waria in Indonesia, and Khanith in Arabia.
 
Personally I'm of the opinion that SRS should definitely be free. The US wastes a crap ton on military which could be going to things like that, which would actually benefit people's lives.

as for Iran's problems: It's no secret they treat women and homosexuals like crap. It's the number one reason I want a regime change.
 
Ok, so a little off topic, but I want to plug a webcomic that I follow.

Its called Rain, and the premise is a trans girl trying to stealthily (aka without others knowing) transition. Even if I wasn't trans, it's still a really well written series, and the art might be kind of bad at first but it gets better later on and develops sort of an animeesque charm to it.

But the real reason I want to plug it is that one of the major characters, who is introduced later on, is a genderfluid kid named Ky. Ky is a really good crash course in exactly how genderfluidism, as s/he shifts between male, female, and even asexual presentations. Theres not really a lot of genderfluidism represented in media at all (and very few positive trans characters) and I think this webcomic is good to help people see a visualization of gender identity minorities.

Not at all, thank you :love:
 
"dozens are murdered every year" means very little. Thousands of Americans are murdered every year, whether they are transgender or not. If even 1% people homicide victims happen to be transgender, I would expect it to be more than "dozens".

that said, the "homosexual panic" law seems absurd and I agree it should be abolished. I also thought you explicitly said Iran has better transgender rights than the United States. Which I find unlikely.

edit: You actually said Iran's stance on transgender is progressive "even compared to the west". This was the part I'm challenging. As an Iranian-American, mind you.

The truth is I imagine transgendered people are going face discrimination in literally every single country on earth, some countries are simply less bad than others.

Don't tell us how life is for us. We know what we experience.

When I visited my mother this past September, I was so terrified of the traveling in the US, especially rural Alabama, that I let my facial hair grow out so I'd be seen as less feminine. You have no idea how not fun that was.
 
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