Immortal University Bullpen

[pomthom]

I'm next with Nappy right? Nappy, De gaulle... French leaders are taking over the forums

 

[elitetroops]

Seeing the discussion on how the AI is nerfed by the forests in IU 107, I did some tests. AI tournament style I walled myself in behind mountains and played out a few deity games until lib to see how the AI does. 2 games with the map as it is and 2 games where I erased about 8 forests/AI around their starting locations. Mostly removed forests from green riverside tiles and hills to give their workers something to do. What I found:

Spoiler :

The AI really is horrible at a forest start! In one of the games with no forests removed Sal, who starts with 12 forests and only 3 non-forested land tiles in his BFC, didn't get BW until 1600BC!

The games where I removed forests where the fastest to lib, on average 150 years earlier than the other 2 games. Most wonders were also built much earlier. The table below shows the different timings of all wonders built in the BCs between 2 games, first column date for a game with map as it is, second column with some forests removed:

Spoiler :

SH	2320	2640
GW	1480	2360
ToA	1320	1160	
GLH	875	1640
Ora	850	1280
Pyr	525	1200
Col	525	975
THG	175	400
SoZ	50	150
MoM	0	50
AP	-	350
Parth	-	50

Seriously, deity oracle in 850 BC?

Apart from the early ToA, that's quite a difference!

Conclusion: if a map type with lots of forests is used (this or Arboria), it could make sense to remove some forests around the AI starting locations to make them more competitive.

 

[pomthom]

Interesting elitetroops, this confirms the observation made in AI trounaments indeed...

 

[Thrar]

So is the series finished now? Is anyone still interested in hosting more games?

 

[elitetroops]

There was the poll about which leaders to start the next round, so I doubt it's meant to be over. No word on when it continues yet, though. Had I known there would be a break from IU this week, then this would have been the perfect time to throw in the LHC game that i_imperator asked for..

 

[Gumbolt]

SGOTM has taken many players away. Always good to keep these series alive.

I think you skipped Peter?? I am guessing Habitus list on front page is a bit dated.

 

[Pangaea]

It sure is. I tried some of the links, but they don't actually work for the later games.

 

[vanillasine]

It sure is. I tried some of the links, but they don't actually work for the later games.

yeah - links broken?

 

[pandamancer]

Not really, Dubioza updated it already in post #83

 

[Tobiyogi]

In my browser, neither pictures of the starting position nor map details are displayed. I would have to load every single game to find out about the details.
Can somebody tell me if there are some exceptional challenges here? I simply prefer to play something else than the usual "Fractal - standard - 6 opponents - NHNE - game".

I found by accident the Pericles game and I extremely enjoyed playing against 3 teams, what a great idea. Something else I should not miss?

Thanks a lot

 

[crashmon]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/immortal-university-ix-gengis-kahn-of-the-mongolians.281683/

This one looks like a none pangea game playing as Gengis Kahn, and you can see starting area in some of the spoilers in the thread (images are missing from the initial post however)

 

[crashmon]

Although to make it a challenge do not build the GLH, as it is overpowered on these types of maps

 

[Tobiyogi]

Thanks @crashmon Gengis map looks like a good challenge anyway. No happiness, so I am rather interested in Mids than in GLH. Probably even iso (played 40T so far) which would almost negate our leader's traits.