Imperialism and -Isms, Some Perspective

[Zardnaar]

Actually, that wasn't the original usage of the term. Fascism was NOT originally National Socialism, and was NOT created, originally by Hitler. It was coined by a WW1-era Italian politician whose protégé, Benito Mussolini, established the first fascist government in history in Italy more than a decade before Hitler came to power in Germany, several different ideas than Naziism that were quite notable, such a very significant Clericalist element, and an almost complete of Hitler's racial politics which you just stated were the sole defining of Fascism. So, I'm afraid your definition and analysis are somewhat inaccurate.

Fascism kind of rose in France and Mussolini got his ideas from that Italian guy in the "unredeemed" territories promised to the Italians as payment to enter WW1. I forget his name.

Italian fascism lacked the hardcore racism and anti semetism of the National Socialist regime.

At the time it was sold as a 3rd way to solve the problems of Communism and plutocratic capitalism.

Franco would be an example of an inwards focused fascist regime I suppose.

 

[JMA2286]

Okay maybe the history wasn't exact, but does anyone outside of the north central Mediterranean Sea think of 3rd way to solve economic problems when they hear the word fascism?

No.

Anyway, even that definition is yet another imperialist agenda. There is no worker's paradise, capitalism is not supreme, and a corporate business model as a government is also stupid.

 

[bernie14]

Humanist is a more accurate way to describe "Liberalism" of today. People that think there is one Human race, that God isn't real, that we're all in this together, etc.

I'm center right economically, socially liberal, civic nationalist, legal immigrant. I would certainly associate much better with @Cloud_Strife than with the likes of you

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm center right economically, socially liberal, civic nationalist, legal immigrant. I would certainly associate much better with @Cloud_Strife than with the likes of you

Over here you would probably like our National party.
. Tax cuts, pro immigration, mostly socially liberal. They might not push it but they don't revoke things when they get elected just laser focused on tax cuts

 

[Commodore]

Well I believe that its possible to want to change a society without desiring power and domination

I'm not sure this is true. To change society, one must first gain power and domination over it because without the power to enact your changes, you are just another easily ignored voice shouting in the street. Given that power is required for change, I would say the desire for change is simultaneously a desire for power.

 

[JMA2286]

Oh, look. Another 'splainer, trying to tell me what I want.

That's never a good idea when I've spent most of the day on The Handmaid's Tale review/comment sites.


Justin Trudeau disagrees with you ("Diversity is our strength").


Spanned most of the world? Seriously? The Commonwealth nations (former British colonies) span more square miles around the world than the U.S. does. Even Canada by itself is larger.



I had no idea that the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Byzantines all lived within the last 100 years. Wow. Truly a TIL moment.


Well, he is a reincarnated Byzantine Emperor, after all...

(@Kyriakos needs his own smiley. Anybody care to make one? )

The Handmaid's Tale is stupid. Feminism is more responsible for infertility and mass child murder than any bullfeathers scenario made up by someone who is too scared to confront the former Third World to save the trees she allegedly cares about. And even then, she disowns feminists to this day. Probably because it's a death cult.

Justin Trudeau is barely fit to contribute to a restaurant night shift at a slow pizzeria. The man is the most pathetic excuse for a man that has ever tricked a country in the Western Hemisphere to allow him to lead it. He is an even bigger disgrace to Canada than Justin Bieber. Yall need to trade your Justins for a Justinian.

So are you a fan of the British Empire? Haha tell me with a straight face that the UK doesn't answer to the Pentagon and the US military.

The rest of that is so stupid it's beneath response.

Does anyone know where this guy is from? Whoops, what Nation?

I am descended from American Revolutionaries, and have extended family that can prove their claim too.

I am very likely more American by blood than 90% of the posters here that are American citizens

 

[bernie14]

My blood became American when i became a citizen

EDIT. and that was 20 years or so before you were even born

 

[JMA2286]

My blood became American when i became a citizen

You were not, will not, and are not an American.

You are an American citizen. You reside here.

You are not part of the national family that founded the United States.

Unless you married someone who has that claim, you just have papers

 

[Patine]

Okay maybe the history wasn't exact, but does anyone outside of the north central Mediterranean Sea think of 3rd way to solve economic problems when they hear the word fascism?

No.

Anyway, even that definition is yet another imperialist agenda. There is no worker's paradise, capitalism is not supreme, and a corporate business model as a government is also stupid.

I don't view lack of education or knowledge on an issue, especially when attributed to parochialism or regionalism, to change the facts or irrelevate valid terminology. In other word, I don't cater to ignorance.

 

[Patine]

You were not, will not, and are not an American.

You are an American citizen. You reside here.

You are not part of the national family that founded the United States.

Unless you married someone who has that claim, you just have papers

The Native American tribes, whose land was cheated, stolen, and swindled, are the ORIGINAL Americans. EVERYONE else is an immigrant and invader at some level.

 

[Zardnaar]

The Native American tribes, whose land was cheated, stolen, and swindled, are the ORIGINAL Americans. EVERYONE else is an immigrant and invader at some level.

They're immigrants as well going back far enough.

Original USA stock would be anyone who can trace their ancestry in the USA 1776, black white or red.

 

[Patine]

They're immigrants as well going back far enough.

Not so. There was no one's inhabited and governed land they moved into. By all accounts, they migrated into terra nullius, which is completely different.

 

[bernie14]

You were not, will not, and are not an American.

You are an American citizen. You reside here.

You are not part of the national family that founded the United States.

Unless you married someone who has that claim, you just have papers

You have no idea of what an American is. Your notion is just old school entho nationalism which is honestly garbage

 

[JMA2286]

The Native American tribes, whose land was cheated, stolen, and swindled, are the ORIGINAL Americans. EVERYONE else is an immigrant and invader at some level.

They did not call their homelands America, and do not identify as Native Americans. They identify by their tribe.

Your impressive display of morality notwithstanding, I find myself unimpressed by your passion on the subject. I respect those who fought us and lost more than pathetic and disgraceful people who do not even use the tribes' names to describe them, but, instead, call their homelands by a European name, and lump them all together as one entity, lazily, and without any respect to them whatsoever.

You spit on their Nations. You are the worst kind of apologist for people who will never represent authentically.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not so. There was no one's inhabited and governed land they moved into. By all accounts, they migrated into terra nullius, which is completely different.

They immigrated from Asia.

IDK what the OP meant but yeah if you can trace you ancestry to the USA circa 1776 or native American ancestry.

Still offensive statement.

Here we have a concept called kiwi. I'm a kiwi, if you self identify as that and everyone accepts that you're a kiwi. Generally means citizenship but not always as some citizens make no effort to be kiwis being here purely for economic reasons.

 

[JMA2286]

You have no idea of what an American is. Your notion is just old school entho nationalism which is honestly garbage

I am an American. You wish you were.

You can't even spell a made up term to describe that which you will never have. You can't even properly imitate my Nation's language, let alone our heritage.

Now go to an English class. Maybe you'll actually be more convincing next time

 

[Patine]

They did not call their homelands America, and do not identify as Native Americans. They identify by their tribe.

Your impressive display of morality notwithstanding, I find myself unimpressed by your passion on the subject. I respect those who fought us and lost more than pathetic and disgraceful people who do not even use the tribes' names to describe them, but, instead, call their homelands by a European name, and lump them all together as one entity, lazily, and without any respect to them whatsoever.

You spit on their Nations. You are the worst kind of apologist for people who will never represent authentically.

This scathing excoriation taken from three posts. As someone who pronounced on the last to being a Christian (as I myself, profess, to), may I remind you of three verses of our Lord and Saviour that are very relevant to this point:

-"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
-"Judge not lest ye be judged."
-"Love thy neighbour as thou would love thyself."

 

[bernie14]

Tell me my fine american, what right do you have, by being born here, that i do not???

 

[Zardnaar]

I am an American. You wish you were.

You can't even spell a made up term to describe that which you will never have. You can't even properly imitate my Nation's language, let alone our heritage.

Now go mow some yards

I don't wish I'm an American, Australia ,NZ and Scandinavia have argueably surpassed the USA.

 

[JMA2286]

This scathing excoriation taken from three posts. As someone who pronounced on the last to being a Christian (as I myself, profess, to), may I remind you of three verses of our Lord and Saviour that are very relevant to this point:

-"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
-"Judge not lest ye be judged."
-"Love thy neighbour as thou would love thyself."

You are an embarrassment to Christendom.

If you did not figure it out already, I advocate Nation-State rule that would have prevented the myriad atrocities that befell the tribes that my ancestors slaughtered and conquered. We may have even inspired them, through whatever degree of martyrdom and missionary work necessary, to see the Light and Truth of Jesus Christ of their own choosing, and not by the bayonets of a conquering army against their will.

By disrespecting those who fell in war against us, however, you mock the journey they walked to get to this point. You mock the Trail of Tears. That is not Christian. I judge the unworthy and any judgment from you comes from someone who likely has no idea who the Iroquois even are, much less the Apache, Comanche, or the Sioux.

Tell me my fine american, what right do you have, by being born here, that i do not???

My nationality, for starters. If the weight of the culturally foreign citizenry collapses the Empire, like it always does, then you will find yourself scurrying to group up with people more like yourself than my people.

But no, currently, our insane system of imperial government doesn't prioritize me over you.

But the future is not bright for Paper Americans. Not if you all collectively keep nominating people like AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and the rest of those people who bite the hands that feed them and tell us to stop bleeding on them.