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Imperium Offtopicum: The Aftermath
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Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
Still holding out for Scotland, Canada, Petrograd, and the NCSA.
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
If you can hold out a while longer - I'm too tired to write my introduction tonight.
I am interested in playing this game as either the Kingdom of Konchasa or the Federation of the Savanna. Are either of these still available?
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
Do define "outsider." While our political roots are in Europe and our cultural in South America, we simply cannot be expected to not expand in Africa, where our most productive provinces and indeed, our capital of Kinshasa, are located.
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Furthermore, the Sombrist Administration has made sure to clarify that Macedonia is still considered an ally of the Federation. A traditional ally, it would be foolish to cast them off. While their Kaetif policy is unknown (Double A has not made an official bio to my knowledge) their strategic position makes them of key interest to the Federation's future.
Outsiders are those who wouldn't give a @*#$ for our sake except for the fact we are sitting on some of the still reasonably safe land on the world. Then they will make false promises as they settle here, and make all the wars of the world on africa. NO! I and my brothers won't allow this.
Our alliance is to defend against purely imperialistic intent of those who have brought doom upon themselves, and wish to take OUR land to rebuild THEIR army, OUR people for THEIR wars. If you want resources, you have to buy instead of take,
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
Yessir. The Marians are negotiating trade with the Savanna and have established trade with Konchasa; feel free to alter the deal of whomever you choose.
DroopyTofu
Double Bass Double Bass
It had been twenty years since the war had ended. Even though the NCSA tried its hardest not to get into the World War and decommisioned it's nuclear weapons as quickly as possible, it still became a contaminated wasteland. Most of its border regions were unihabitable because of fallout from its belligerent northern neighbor. The heartland of the Confederacy was only partially habitable and was not good for farming and was barely fit to live in. Still, Southerners managed to make an existance. Kansas, Belize, and East Cuba were the only safe regions in the whole Confederacy. These regions quickly became overpopulated, and some people called for expansion into bordering nations. Diplomatic relations quickly formed.
Link to my previous bio. (I may type up a new one)
Patagonia: We will not give our legitimate lands back. They were taken fairly, and IIRC we asked before taking them, and no one objected. (I really need to go back and skim the old thread.)
1. Central American Confederacy: We offer you our hand in friendship. We are not sure where our nations' futures lie, but we believe it would be beneficial for both of us if we are on close terms.
3. Caribbean Commonwealth: We also hope not to have any problems with you. We are willing to have good relations, however, it will come at a cost. For years, even before the War, we had a claim to the island of Cuba. Please let us have the rest of our island, and we will be great friends!
4. Central South America: To be blunt, the NCSA disagrees with your government on many issues. We are willing to overlook that and leave you alone. We would be open to any negotiations or offers you have.
5. República de Punta Arenas: Right now, you can either roll over and give in to Patagonia, or stand up to them and maintain your indepence. The belligerent Patagonia has also tried to bully me into giving up my rightful lands, so I think we have something in common. So stand up for your soviegnty and don't let yourself be bullied subjection!
16. Cantabria Libre: Similar to La República de Punta Arenas, you have a larger neighbor who would bully you into subjugation, and you have the NCSA. You are small and have little contaminated land. So please side with me. I would like very close relations with you especially.
Link to my previous bio. (I may type up a new one)
Patagonia: We will not give our legitimate lands back. They were taken fairly, and IIRC we asked before taking them, and no one objected. (I really need to go back and skim the old thread.)
1. Central American Confederacy: We offer you our hand in friendship. We are not sure where our nations' futures lie, but we believe it would be beneficial for both of us if we are on close terms.
3. Caribbean Commonwealth: We also hope not to have any problems with you. We are willing to have good relations, however, it will come at a cost. For years, even before the War, we had a claim to the island of Cuba. Please let us have the rest of our island, and we will be great friends!
4. Central South America: To be blunt, the NCSA disagrees with your government on many issues. We are willing to overlook that and leave you alone. We would be open to any negotiations or offers you have.
5. República de Punta Arenas: Right now, you can either roll over and give in to Patagonia, or stand up to them and maintain your indepence. The belligerent Patagonia has also tried to bully me into giving up my rightful lands, so I think we have something in common. So stand up for your soviegnty and don't let yourself be bullied subjection!
16. Cantabria Libre: Similar to La República de Punta Arenas, you have a larger neighbor who would bully you into subjugation, and you have the NCSA. You are small and have little contaminated land. So please side with me. I would like very close relations with you especially.
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
Scotland burned.
The war that had brought down the Commonwealth was a generation past, but the consequences still haunted Scotland. That was if anyone could even call it Scotland anymore - even the government had come to use the popular phrase for themselves: the Scottish Remnant.
Representatives from Iceland, Norway, Canada and the Lost Provinces convened in Reykjavik - the scattered representatives of a homeland that didnt exist. The tensions of the rest of the world almost didnt matter. They could almost ignore the hush that befell a room when it contained foreign dignitaries or, worse, at the UN when a Scottish ambassador walked by - a man without a home. Indeed, the nation was entering an age when some of its citizens had never set foot in Scotland.
There were some who had, in the intervening years. Small expeditions had been sent on brief excursions to assess the damage to the homeland. Some reports were encouraging - Edinburgh castle, miraculously, still stood. The same report would conclude, inevitably, that no-one could safely stand among its stone walls for longer than a few hours. Even to do that would require a heavily armed force - the abhorrents as they had come to be known, thrived in the former capital.
There were still legitimate targets to fight - the borders of Scottish Canada was a wasteland , a continuous war zone against the irradiated creatures. If only it were only the abhorrents - border skirmishes and rebellions from the former Canadian military was not uncommon.
Not all was lost, however. Twenty years of horror can make a nation introspective, and so the Scottish Remnant withdrew from an active role in international politics. Funding went towards revitalising the lands lost, strengthening the territories still intact and research into the terrible results of the nuclear war.
Above all else, there was one mandate above all others, a policy all political parties could agree to - all efforts should go towards granting every Scottish citizen their one dream: to go home.
An announcement before the UN Council and to the International Community
Scotland hereby declares full neutrality. It shall not attempt to claim lands beyond what it currently has. This includes the territories of Scottish Canada, Iceland, Norway and the Lost Provinces.
The Lost Provinces include Scotland proper, and the entirety of Ireland.
Scotland is dedicated to the research and analysis of the irradiated territories, and ultimately seeks to reverse the terrible calamities that has befallen these provinces.
Scotland is, after witnessing first-hand the consequences of a nuclear war, abandoning its nuclear weapon program. Over the course of the coming years its remaining nuclear weapons will be deactivated.
We hope the above message is understood as the request for peace it is meant to be, and the claims accepted.
The war that had brought down the Commonwealth was a generation past, but the consequences still haunted Scotland. That was if anyone could even call it Scotland anymore - even the government had come to use the popular phrase for themselves: the Scottish Remnant.
Representatives from Iceland, Norway, Canada and the Lost Provinces convened in Reykjavik - the scattered representatives of a homeland that didnt exist. The tensions of the rest of the world almost didnt matter. They could almost ignore the hush that befell a room when it contained foreign dignitaries or, worse, at the UN when a Scottish ambassador walked by - a man without a home. Indeed, the nation was entering an age when some of its citizens had never set foot in Scotland.
There were some who had, in the intervening years. Small expeditions had been sent on brief excursions to assess the damage to the homeland. Some reports were encouraging - Edinburgh castle, miraculously, still stood. The same report would conclude, inevitably, that no-one could safely stand among its stone walls for longer than a few hours. Even to do that would require a heavily armed force - the abhorrents as they had come to be known, thrived in the former capital.
There were still legitimate targets to fight - the borders of Scottish Canada was a wasteland , a continuous war zone against the irradiated creatures. If only it were only the abhorrents - border skirmishes and rebellions from the former Canadian military was not uncommon.
Not all was lost, however. Twenty years of horror can make a nation introspective, and so the Scottish Remnant withdrew from an active role in international politics. Funding went towards revitalising the lands lost, strengthening the territories still intact and research into the terrible results of the nuclear war.
Above all else, there was one mandate above all others, a policy all political parties could agree to - all efforts should go towards granting every Scottish citizen their one dream: to go home.
An announcement before the UN Council and to the International Community
Scotland hereby declares full neutrality. It shall not attempt to claim lands beyond what it currently has. This includes the territories of Scottish Canada, Iceland, Norway and the Lost Provinces.
The Lost Provinces include Scotland proper, and the entirety of Ireland.
Scotland is dedicated to the research and analysis of the irradiated territories, and ultimately seeks to reverse the terrible calamities that has befallen these provinces.
Scotland is, after witnessing first-hand the consequences of a nuclear war, abandoning its nuclear weapon program. Over the course of the coming years its remaining nuclear weapons will be deactivated.
We hope the above message is understood as the request for peace it is meant to be, and the claims accepted.
Cool. Ill take Kingdom of Konchasa.
The Kingdom of Konchasa will join this alliance.
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
OOC: My nation is so small! I though my Rent-a-Governer at least expanded it an itty bit... No matter. I need to negotiate some border agreements then.
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
Federation of the Savanna: While we decline at this time, we appreciate the offer and may revisit these discussions depending on how events unfold.
Alliance of North African Independents: We are confident in NATAR's ability to mediate any conflicts that may arise, and therefore, politely decline.
Federation of the Savanna: We shall consider your offer and respond once our people have come to a consensus.
Alliance of North African Independents: Portuguese felicitations have been received with gratitude. We will accept migrants on the understanding that they will be quarantined upon arrival to treat any lingering effects of prolonged contamination.
Cantabria Libre: We politely request that Portugal mind its own business.
Central American Confederacy: We gratefully accept, and look forward to a prosperous relationship.
Caribbean Commonwealth: We understand your position, but we are not equipped to handle the displacement of citizens that would result from a desettlement. Perhaps the NCSA has a workable strategy for such a move?
Central South America: The feeling is mutual. There is little we can offer you that you would be interested in, so for now, live and let live.
República de Punta Arenas: Might we assume, therein, that the NCSA would support an overt claim to self-determination? We do not have much to offer, but perhaps you would consent to adopt our humble republic as a protectorate state?
Cantabria Libre: Long have we suspected the NCSA were sympathetic to our national interests. We gratefully accept your offer of improved relations, and are confident the NCSA will support us against any ill activity by the presumptuous Marians.
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
You mean civplayah? He's got two posts at the top of this page.
Islamabad was built in 1960s as the planned capital city of Pakistan. It remained the capital through the turbulent decades leading up to the First Cataclysm. To this day, the former Pakistani flag is still in use as the provincial flag of Islamabad.
It was selected as the capital of the United States of India and remained the capital after the Communist Revolution. The last days of Soviet rule saw the city becoming a battleground. One fateful night, half the city burned down as fire spread from government buildings torched by enraged mobs. The street battles continued until soldiers of the Army of the Republic of Kashmir (ARK) seized the city and restored order. Islamabad was annexed into the Republic of Kashmir, the only part of the country (not counting the disputed Himachal Pradesh) not part of historical Kashmir.
In the years following the war millions of refugees swelled the city's populations. Much of Islamabad is now a slum, with some of the worst living conditions anywhere in Kashmir. Squatters dwelled in the ruins of burned buildings and in abandoned apartments, office blocks, skyscrapers, monuments, government buildings, and university campuses. Once in a while armed skirmishes occur against the Punjabi Taliban across the border.
The late Iskander Mirza toyed with restoring Islamabad as a capital of a "Greater Kashmir", but decided to build a new capital outside Srinagar which today bears his name. There are plans to rebuild the city, however. The charismatic new Governor of Islamabad Province, Syed Tarbela, is an ally of President Nadim and has secured funding for community-based redevelopment project in the city center starting this year. The success or failure of which will influence whether further projects will be given the green light, and what Islamabad will look like a few years from now.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I declare peace on everyone, and invent newer more absorbent toilet tissue.
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Federation of Petrograd
Strength, Unity, Fatherland
Capital (and largest city): Petrograd
Government: Authoritarian Democratic Republic
Economy: Mixed socialism/capitalism. Government has some limited control over the direction of the economy.
Social Policy: Conservative; somewhat repressive due to cultural traditions. Strong nationalist sentiment.
Kaetif Attitude: (See Below) Full legal rights, but high social distrust.
Foreign Policy: (See Below)
Military: Large. The military-industrial complex holds the most weight in the economy. However, military technology has outdated, and thus equipment can be obsolete.
Contamination: Look at the map!
Demographics:
Language: Mostly Russian (the official state language), some Oblasts have their own state language as well.
Corruption: Exceptionally high, although the government has began to crack down.
Religion: The Orthodox Church is the largest religion, and although membership is increasing, membership is still a shadow of its former self. Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are also widely practiced in some regions. Freedom of religion exists, although in recent years the government has attempted to support the Orthodox faith due to historic social connections.
Spoiler History since Cataclysm :
Spoiler Kaetif :
As for foreign policy, Petrograd considers the New Hetmanate to be its spiritual and cultural brother. Petrograd envisions itself to be part of a "bloc" involving the New Hetmanate, Azerbaijan and the Don Intependents, the latter of the two it de jure believes as being part of Petrograd itself which are engaging in what it refers to as "Sanctified Social Experiments". As such relationships are often cordial, as Petrograd retains a proactive interest in helping these experiments reach their potential, and respects their de facto independence as being paramount.
Although Petrograd wishes for cordial relations among all states, the volatility of the East Asian region prevents us from believing that the safety of trade in such region would be assured. Petrograd thanks the East Asian Federation for the overture nonetheless.
Petrograd is also interested in your predicament. Petrograd proposes the following: The West Africa Commonwealth leases some coastal land to Petrograd to use as a naval military base. The base will provide additional vibrancy to the local economy, on top of the initial economic stimulus you desire. Petrograd would find such an arrangement beneficial because it would allow us to project our forces into further regions which may be attempting to proliferate nuclear weapons, as well as providing us with an all-year-round ice-free port for our navy.
Would such an offer be of interest to the West African Commonwealth?
To Germany: Although Petrograd does not see Germany as part of its bloc it is nonetheless willing to engage in diplomatic initiatives with its Western neighbour. As such, Petrograd would like to open some cities to German investment to foster cordial relations. Would this be acceptable?
To China: Petrograd would wish to resolve the conflict between our two peoples by forming a recognized border between our two populations. The region of Siberia which has been destroyed is still considered a vital part of the Petrogradi spiritual homeland, even if its assets are worthless, and thus We would appretiate the removal of Chinese claims to the region. Furthermore, allowing Petrograd authority over the adjacent unclaimed territory to said region would provide a natural border at Lake Bikal to which we would be glad to recognize. Petrograd is aware that tensions are high between our two states, and would thus propose a mutual nuclear disarmament programme for both our nations as a sign of goodwill, and a further sign of goodwill by launching a joint military cooperation to subdue the Abhorrents in our border regions.
Would China be a party to such proposals?
To Baltic Republic: Since correspondance seems to be difficult at this time being, Petrograd would like to leave an open offer for the conduct of closer diplomatic ties between our two nations.
To Kurdistan: As ally to the peoples of Azerbaijan, Petrograd would be interested in formal diplomatic relations between our states. In a similar offer to which we gave to the WAC, Petrograd would request the leasing of land in the South of your country for a military base, preferably close to the borders with Mada and Fars. Such a region has been chosen because it is an instable region, and being close to the border Petrograd can avert potential military belligerancy on Azerbaijan and Kurdistan from Mada and, especially, Fars.
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To Petrograd
We will turn over any of our territory. We have inhabited these areas for decades now. We have no desire to repeat past mistakes. Nuclear Disarmament is crucial, and we invite all nations to join us in it. And of course, we will take whatever steps are necessary to remove the abhorrents from the region.
We will turn over any of our territory. We have inhabited these areas for decades now. We have no desire to repeat past mistakes. Nuclear Disarmament is crucial, and we invite all nations to join us in it. And of course, we will take whatever steps are necessary to remove the abhorrents from the region.
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