In Oregon, a Demand for Safety, but Not on Their Dime

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In Oregon, a Demand for Safety, but Not on Their Dime

If you ask Sgt. Todd Moran of the Grants Pass police, the answer is unquestionably yes. Burglaries were up almost 70 percent last year in his city of 35,000 about an hour north of the California border. Theft cases, up almost 80 percent. And at least part of the reason, he said, is an awareness by criminals that their actions are increasingly without consequences in cash-starved Josephine County, where the jail the city depends on is mostly closed for lack of money.

Even a felony suspect arrested with stolen goods or drugs in hand is usually just given a citation and released. Better financing for the county’s jails and prosecutors is the only way forward, Sergeant Moran said.

“It’s just broken,” he said as he drove through town on a recent afternoon patrol.

Now drive an hour south and meet Sam Nichols and Glenn Woodbury, who volunteer with a group called Citizens Against Crime. They say that financial troubles are in fact strengthening the community and that citizen crime patrols like theirs are proving that money — meaning higher taxes — is not the solution.

They began patrolling the back roads of the county last summer after staffing at the sheriff’s office was gutted by budget cuts. With local residents on watch, crime rates in their area have fallen to near zero, said Mr. Nichols, a retired marina manager, as he drove on a recent evening, with Mr. Woodbury in the passenger seat shining a spotlight into the woods and winding dark driveways.

“Eleven months without a reported theft,” Mr. Nichols said, a handgun strapped to his hip, as an orange light flashed on the roof.

With the fiscal year that started on July 1, the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office now has exactly one deputy left available for general calls in a county of 83,000 people — down from a high of 22 at full staffing a few years ago. Citizen applications to carry a concealed weapon, meanwhile, rose 49 percent last year, according to county records.

At grocery stores in Grants Pass, stopping and citing shoplifters — sometimes with whole carts of beer or food in tow — have become part of the daily law enforcement routine.

“I hold my breath, every day, for everything,” said Sheriff Gil Gilbertson in an interview in his office, where images of John Wayne lined the walls.

Push payments that kept property taxes low have fallen to a trickle. And a federal stopgap payment measure to make up for the timber money was phased out last year. County residents, meanwhile, have voted multiple times, most recently in May, against raising their property taxes to resolve the shortfall.

“It’s a slow-motion disaster,” said Bruce A. Weber, a professor of agricultural and resource economics at Oregon State University and the director of the Rural Studies Program. And with federal spending programs in retreat and the state budget under continued stress, he said, no fix is easy.

“We’re among thousands of people in the country that are just to the point of not ever voting for another tax, whether it be public safety, or any type of an increase,” he said.

Even without a resurgent timber-cutting plan, there are already worries that balkanized camps of armed residents could create new tensions

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/u...ens-Take-Up-Patrols.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp

Is one single police officer per 100,000 normal in the US ?
With so much crime, it seems pretty crazy to resist new taxes to pay for more police instead of just local armed citizens. Still it is only just burglaries and theft that are the problems, local armed militia seems an effective solution.

EDIT: Thats like 46 police for the entire city of Sydney 4.6 Million people which is kinda nuts.
 
Id have to know more before ripping on them too much. There are plenty of extremely inefficient local governments. If they are demanding money to fund the police when there are piles of reasonable cuts that could be made I could see the outrage at the idea of giving them more money.

I mean for instance in my hometown, the school district recently spent millions on two new sports complexes, including fields for a sport they dont even have at the moment. So if this school district stomped in and demanded higher taxes to cover some other problem, I could see residents having pause at giving them even more money.
 
My county:
851.37 sq mi
17,049 population
20/sq mi density

The sheriff's dept patrol division consist of: (not including the Sheriff, Jail Admin, jail guards, other jail personnel, etc)
1 Chief Deputy
1 Lieutenant
2 Patrol Sergeants
2 Detectives
8 Patrol Deputies

I was unable to find specific information for the local city police force, which is of course independent of the county-wide sheriff's department. There must be a bunch, though, because any time of day or night you can always find a few cruising around in our cityn of 4,219 people.
 
one deputy left available for general calls in a county of 83,000 people

And to think people have the nerve to want to buy a gun. As long at it isn't taxes! Oh, you mean I have to pay taxes on the gun and the ammunition?! You just can't win damn it.

In Oregon, a Demand for Safety, but Not on Their Dime

Wait, aren't they buying guns and concealed carry permits with their dimes? So just a more radical form of public safety I suppose.
 
I actually applaud the people of Josephine County, Oregon for their actions. Normally I would admonish them for demanding more safety without wanting to pay for it, but that does not seem to be what they are doing. They are looking to their own defense until the police can protect them again, instead of just sitting on their butts and complaining about the situation.
 
My county:
851.37 sq mi
17,049 population
20/sq mi density

The sheriff's dept patrol division consist of: (not including the Sheriff, Jail Admin, jail guards, other jail personnel, etc)
1 Chief Deputy
1 Lieutenant
2 Patrol Sergeants
2 Detectives
8 Patrol Deputies

I was unable to find specific information for the local city police force, which is of course independent of the county-wide sheriff's department. There must be a bunch, though, because any time of day or night you can always find a few cruising around in our cityn of 4,219 people.
How top-heavy can you get? 5 managers/supervisors to deal with 10 employees?
 
Yeah, it really is ridiculous. They blow so much money it just makes my blood boil. They have a freaking RV converted to "Mobile Command Center" as it is labeled on the side. Check that population figure again. Talk about totally opposite of that Oregon experience. Meth seizures are a wonderful thing!!! That said, though, they do all at least patrol. It's not like only the lowest on the totem pole are out on their beats.
 
I am sure those patrol searhents probably do normal patrols as well. My uncle was a police chief in Rhode Island and still worked a reduced detective case load.
 
Oregon has about four million people NZ has around five million.
But there are some big differences, we have ONE police force for the whole country backed up by the army/SAS if needed.
Our Police force is funded from general taxation so property taxes have got nothing to do with funding the Police.

So why so many police forces in Oregon ? why are they funded from property taxes instead of state finances ?
 
Woman Raped By Ex-Boyfriend Because Police Didn’t Have Enough Funding To Send Help

This woman’s situation was not a tragic outlier — while Sheriff Gil Gilberson declined to comment on this specific case, he noted to Oregon Public Radio “[t]here isn’t a day go by that we don’t have another victim” due to a law enforcement deficit caused by a budget cuts that went into effect last May.

The Josephine County’s Sheriff’s Office budget was cut after the the expiration of a multi-million dollar annual federal aid payment to timber-dependent counties, the Secure Rural Schools and Community Self-Determination Act, originally passed in 2000. The federal government previously shared timber sale revenues from public lands with rural counties to offset the lack of property taxes from those lands, but as logging was reduced by 90 percent in federal lands since 1989, the aid program replaced that revenue source.

But despite these dire circumstances, yesterday Josephine County voted 51 to 49 percent against a public safety levy for more law enforcement. The levy would have raised county property taxes from 59 cents per $1,000 of property value, the lowest in Oregon

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...olice-didnt-have-enough-funding-to-send-help/

Couldnt they increase property tax to what the rest of the state is paying ?
This is terrible.
 
Stop being disengenuous FF, you could just as easily claim road construction or changing breakfast cereal preferences caused that rape.

Please provide the direct link underpining your above claim. You are not controlling for anything else and are thus doing nothing but sensationalizing something for cheap rhetorical points. How long do you think it would take me to find a major city increasing or maintaining police funding but still having a rising crime rate? Or one with a falling crime rate with less police money?
 
Seems like Democracy in action.
 
Keeping the cop count low cuts down on the chance of being tazed or having your home wrongfully invaded by a team of violent keystones looking for pot. Seems like a wise move.
 
Maybe they should increase the sales tax to pay for some more cops.

Oh wait.
 
Stop being disengenuous FF, you could just as easily claim road construction or changing breakfast cereal preferences caused that rape.

Please provide the direct link underpining your above claim. You are not controlling for anything else and are thus doing nothing but sensationalizing something for cheap rhetorical points. How long do you think it would take me to find a major city increasing or maintaining police funding but still having a rising crime rate? Or one with a falling crime rate with less police money?
He already did. And it wasn't his "claim". He quoted the subject bar of the article. :lol:

Last August, a woman in Josephine County called 911 and pleaded with dispatchers to send police — “my ex-boyfriend is trying to break into my house. I’m not letting him in but he’s like, tried to break down the door and he’s tried to break into one of the windows.” The woman had good reason to be afraid of this man, as she told the dispatcher on the other side of the phone, this same abusive ex had put her in the hospital just a few weeks before. But the dispatcher has no one to send. Because the local sheriff’s department recently lost millions in federal funds, it laid off 23 of its 29 deputies and limited their availability to eight hours on Mondays through Fridays. The woman’s call to 911 took place on a Saturday.

With no deputies available, the 911 dispatcher transferred the woman to the state police — but they would not come rescue the woman either. In the words of the state police dispatcher, “I don’t have anybody to send out there. You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away? Do you know if he’s intoxicated or anything?”

Eventually, the ex-boyfriend, a man named Michael Bellah, pried open the woman’s front door. Choked her. And raped her. After he was caught, he plead guilty to kidnapping, assault, and sex abuse.
Before you claim that Think Progress has the same "lefty agenda" as he does:

CBS Seattle: 911 Dispatcher Tells Woman About To Be Sexually Assaulted There Are No Cops To Help Her Due To Budget Cuts

GeorgiaDailyNews: Woman is choked and raped by her ex-lover after 911 dispatcher tells her there are no cops to help

NY Daily News: Cash-strapped law enforcement agencies in Oregon stop answering calls, sending officers: ‘If he ... assaults you, can you ask him to go away?’

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Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson, who advised domestic violence victims to relocate somewhere with more resources, says he will have to cut even more deputies after a 65% reduction last year.
How can you not trust the word of a sheriff who has a huge photo of John Wayne on his wall?
 
Stop being disengenuous FF, you could just as easily claim road construction or changing breakfast cereal preferences caused that rape.

Please provide the direct link underpining your above claim. You are not controlling for anything else and are thus doing nothing but sensationalizing something for cheap rhetorical points. How long do you think it would take me to find a major city increasing or maintaining police funding but still having a rising crime rate? Or one with a falling crime rate with less police money?

Occam's razor ???
The Road budget has been cut by 50% ?
Not sure if serious about breakfast cereal ?

I guess well see what happens in the Libertarian County. Things might well work out for a small backwards rural area.


Josephine County lives with its decision to vote down law enforcement tax levy

GRANTS PASS -- The language gets rough pretty quick. Ask why voters here beat down a property tax levy that would have funded law enforcement, and Josephine County's grievances, disappointment and anger bubble up.

A man outside Ewing Irrigation, a landscaping supply store downtown, says county employees were overpaid and the politicians weren't doing their jobs. It's a very conservative county, he explains, and then he throws the blame.

"Most of the decisions in the county are made in Eugene and Portland," he spits out. "Taking the dams out, killing logging."

He walks off and won't give his name.

Up on F Street, the proprietor of Fox Firearms is more direct. "I've already told you to leave and you're still here," he says. "What don't you understand about that?"

The levy defeat and subsequent dismantling of the sheriff's office, district attorney's staff and juvenile justice program have put Josephine County in a harsh light. Longtime residents say it exposed an anti-government negativity in a place victimized by economic factors it can't control.

For decades, Josephine and other Oregon timber counties relied on millions in federal timber sales to pay for sheriff's deputies, jails, roads, prosecutors, health clinics and other services.

It seemed a fair deal. Federal land makes up 60 percent of the landbase in some counties, but isn't subject to property taxes. So the feds shared harvest revenue with the counties.

But the near shut-down of logging on federal forests cost the counties dearly. Congress in 2000 approved a payment program to replace the timber money, and extended it twice, but it ended this past year. A proposal to extend the payments once again is stalled in a deadlocked Congress, leaving 33 Oregon counties with combined revenue losses of $215 million annually.

Josephine, Curry, Coos, Klamath, Lane, Douglas and other counties are in dire shape, facing more than 30 percent cuts to operating budgets this year and more than 50 percent reductions in road funds.

But when asked to make up for the loss by increasing taxes, timber county residents rebel. A majority appears convinced government is wasteful and believe they've been cheated out of logging and mill jobs by environmentalists, politicians and faceless corporations.

Joco, as some in Josephine County call it, went down swinging.

An employee at the Grants Pass visitors' center holds up Wednesday's edition of the Grants Pass Daily Courier. "This is the impact right here," she says.

The front page headline says, "Cash-strapped jail releases 39 inmates.

"People somehow believe there's hidden money somewhere and (the county is) using this as a scare tactic," Lomas says.

County residents see themselves as rugged individualists who can protect themselves, he says.

"Well, a lot of people are armed," Lomas says. "Just about everybody in the county is armed, including myself."

Roy Pondelick, owner of Blue Stone Bakery, says it was a matter of economics. The levy would have increased most tax bills by $300 to $500 a year, and many people can't spare it. "The tap has run dry," he says.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/06/reactionary_josephine_county_l.html

I am guessing this is pretty normal for rural areas of the US ?
Too much space and very little police presence. ????

EDIT: Is strangulation some weird Oregon thing ??????

Read the police reports from The Daily Courier .Each day they list an incredible amount of the most idiotic imbecile behavior for a city that small ....assaults with base ball bats, 2 or 3 strangulations a day huge number of DUII robbery after robbery ,Gangs of thugs sitting on cars harrassing people by screaming and yelling Tons of domestic violence calls...a guy walking downtown with a 12guage over his shoulder .another guy walks into a bank showing his pistol for all to see.....assault after assault ...GO DOWN AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK It's an "openair" 24/7 Walmart of IDIOTS

I know because I was born there ...
 
How top-heavy can you get? 5 managers/supervisors to deal with 10 employees?

Rip away at expenses and you're probably justified but not in this particular regard most likely. The Chief almost certainly pushes paper all day and you don't really want him on the road. He's an administrator. For the rest you need somebody on duty and in charge of the deputies that doesn't have to be woken up by phone if something is going on in a time sensitive manner. That's 24 shift work 7 days a week every day of the year holidays included. Police presumably need some form of labor standards too.

Edit: Maybe this department is small enough that the Chief actually patrols and the Sheriff can do all the admin stuff. Still, with a 24/7/365 schedule, 5 supervisors(if you are trying to get one on shift all the time) puts the entire allotment of sick/holiday/vacation time just under 2 weeks per supervisor per year assuming you never have disability or FMLA leave or anything like that.
 
a guy walking downtown with a 12guage over his shoulder .another guy walks into a bank showing his pistol for all to see

Technically there is nothing wrong with either of these things as long as the person doing it is not acting in a threatening manner.
 
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