In the Beginning...

[timtofly]

How do the stars fall from the Heavens? That makes no sense. They'll shrinking into tiny fractions of their current size, and start racing towards Earth beginning at different timepoints, so that they can arrive mostly concurrently and trickle down?

I guess, humans will find out when the "shooting" stars no longer miss hitting the earth. Most objects burn up upon entry. I guess some will make it all the way through. If you want to believe that another constellation is going to crash into the earth, you are the one accepting the impossible.

 

[Arakhor]

Well, forgive me for not immediately arranging interviews with Nature and Science over a handful of examples that might be generously interpreted as evidence, rather than coincidence. I even asked you to prove some more, but maybe I was expecting too much for our umptieth time around the mulberry bush.

 

[Senethro]

"Speculative" study about the knowledge of ancient cultures using a modern translation of a different religions holy book. Kooky.

 

[Berzerker]

Sure, there is nothing of value in this thread so there is nothing to contribute to. You're still dodging your obligation to give a simple reason why anything here is remotely relevant. But as I said, we all know why.

No idea why you're also spitting in Arakhor's face here though, for some reason he's still patient enough to waste his time and interact with you in good faith.

So you're admitting you've contributed nothing to the thread while accusing me of doing the same. I already explained the relevance many times and I never accused Arakhor of lying. Your outrage is quite selective and illogical.

You're a true miser of knowledge to keep this all to yourself, berzerker.

The thread wouldn't be here if I was keeping it to myself

How do the stars fall from the Heavens? That makes no sense. They'll shrinking into tiny fractions of their current size, and start racing towards Earth beginning at different timepoints, so that they can arrive mostly concurrently and trickle down?

Its still a cosmic event signaling the return of Jesus, Agent said there were none.

I don't think anyone even knows how to contribute to this thread. What is it even about? Are you asking questions or just lecturing? Is there something you're seeking that anyone here can help you find?

I'm mostly answering questions... But Tim has no problem making a contribution and he does it without being obnoxious and rude. Some of the critics could learn from him.

 

[Lexicus]

Its still a cosmic event signaling the return of Jesus, Agent said there were none.

It's not a 'cosmic event' because it doesn't make sense.

 

[Senethro]

The thread wouldn't be here if I was keeping it to myself

But what is this thread for? Have you convinced anyone or gained any converts? Have you spread these discoveries that you claim have huge importance in the wider public consciousness?

If they're so important then you are doing people at large a huge disservice by choosing a video games off topic forum for your method of dissemination.

 

[Lexicus]

What I'm curious about is why no one's publishing anything about this stuff in any of the physics or astronomy journals, if the ramifications were huge.

 

[timtofly]

I am here to post my thoughts, learn from others, and I guess entertainment from reading all of the bickering.

@ Berzerker

It seems that around 2000 or 1900 BC, the Shang Chinese had a flood that lasted 20 years. This was proven by archeologists and scientific testing. It was not from rain either. It was a geological event because of several mountain and valley issues going on at the same time. Not sure why there was more water, than could be drained away, but there were some claims the water was boiling up through the mud. It took years to build up levees and dams, so the people could live on the land again. Not sure why they did not leave the area, but agriculture was said to flourish after the water was fully under control.

 

[Berzerker]

It's not a 'cosmic event' because it doesn't make sense.

"the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

“There will be signs in sun and moon and stars"

I dont know what will happen but some cosmic event is prophecied to precede his return

What I'm curious about is why no one's publishing anything about this stuff in any of the physics or astronomy journals, if the ramifications were huge.

Some of the publications have been posted in this thread, eg our water matches water found at the snow line. The ramifications are huge, our world may have formed at the asteroid belt and life was brought to it or shared with another world in our solar system. Our "gods" came from that other world, maybe

 

[Senethro]

The ramifications can't be that huge given that every culture that once had this knowledge both forgot it, and neglected to make non-allegorical records of it.

So how is it going to be useful or vital now?

 

[Berzerker]

@ Berzerker

It seems that around 2000 or 1900 BC, the Shang Chinese had a flood that lasted 20 years. This was proven by archeologists and scientific testing. It was not from rain either. It was a geological event because of several mountain and valley issues going on at the same time.

I read about that recently, I think the explanation was landslides caused by an earthquake blocked off a major river. They used the evidence to help confirm and date an early (the 1st?) Chinese emperor.

 

[Senethro]

Some of the publications have been posted in this thread, eg our water matches water found at the snow line. The ramifications are huge, our world may have formed at the asteroid belt and life was brought to it or shared with another world in our solar system. Our "gods" came from that other world, maybe

Everything I highlighted in red is complete unsupported nonsense. Nothing about any findings related to water suggests it.

 

[Berzerker]

But what is this thread for? Have you convinced anyone or gained any converts? Have you spread these discoveries that you claim have huge importance in the wider public consciousness?

If they're so important then you are doing people at large a huge disservice by choosing a video games off topic forum for your method of dissemination.

Sitchin has already published the theory... If I cant convince you, oh well... Bummer. Huge disservice

The ramifications can't be that huge given that every culture that once had this knowledge both forgot it, and neglected to make non-allegorical records of it.

So how is it going to be useful for vital now?

Those cultures didn't forget, they kept it alive in religion and myth - Genesis being just one example. Why do you care? You're not interested in discussing the evidence, you said we should ignore any scientific evidence in support of Genesis.

 

[Berzerker]

Everything I highlighted in red is complete unsupported nonsense. Nothing about any findings related to water suggests it.

I already posted a link to scientific evidence showing not only our water formed at the asteroid belt but that the world formed in the presence of that water. That is evidence the world didn't form here.

 

[Lexicus]

Everything I highlighted in red is complete unsupported nonsense. Nothing about any findings related to water suggests it.

This was where I joined the thread and after a few pages of trying to explain to him that the evidence didn't support anything he was saying I gave it up.
The discussion became clinically interesting after that. I bet Berzerker could draw up a very interesting science fiction story involving these themes, but should probably leave the earth-shattering scientific discoveries to other people.

Sitchin has already published the theory.

Sitchin hasn't published anything remotely resembling a theory.

 

[Senethro]

Sitchin has already published the theory... If I cant convince you, oh well... Bummer. Huge disservice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

This guy?

Aliens, really? All this crap comes down to aliens?

Those cultures didn't forget, they kept it alive in religion and myth - Genesis being just one example. Why do you care? You're not interested in discussing the evidence, you said we should ignore any scientific evidence in support of Genesis.

It is more likely that the knowledge of secret planets and aliens was never there, rather than it was recorded in these few locations AND yet somehow never referred to in the rest of their cultures documents or in neighboring cultures.

It is very unlikely that you are seeing secret truths in modern English translations of a different religions holy document.

I already posted a link to scientific evidence showing not only our water formed at the asteroid belt but that the world formed in the presence of that water. That is evidence the world didn't form here.

Yeah yeah, there is some pretty good evidence that there were all kinds of swaps and migrations of planets in the early solar system, including Uranus/Neptune exchanging places, and possibly even Jupiter/Saturn.

But the text in red is still nonsense. It is nonsense because you cannot infer that from findings regarding water.

 

[Berzerker]

No idea why you're also spitting in Arakhor's face here though, for some reason he's still patient enough to waste his time and interact with you in good faith.

Arakhor has repeatedly accused me of being dishonest and you accuse me of spitting in his face?

 

[Senethro]

Arakhor has repeatedly accused me of being dishonest and you accuse me of spitting in his face?

You're misrepresenting ancient semitic cultures so yeah, pretty dishonest.

 

[Berzerker]

This was where I joined the thread and after a few pages of trying to explain to him that the evidence didn't support anything he was saying I gave it up.

Where was this rebuttal?

Sitchin hasn't published anything remotely resembling a theory.

Why isn't it a theory?

 

[Berzerker]

You're misrepresenting ancient semitic cultures so yeah, pretty dishonest.

That isn't the definition of dishonesty... But if thats your standard then everyone claiming there is no scientific evidence in support of Genesis is dishonest...

So how did I misrepresent their cultures? I shouldn't have to ask but some of you dont bother supporting your insults.