In the USA, 48% reject evolution, 34% of college graduades are Biblical creationists

[Verbose]

Aren't you describing evolution when you use "diversify"?

Well, it could be degeneration instead.

Really, this thread brings me back to my readings in 18th century natural history.

Going by the creationists, science took a wrong turn at that time. Essentially they are arguing what Charles Ray argued in the late 17th century. They haven't really moved from William Denham's "Physico-tehology" in the early 18th c.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

It may be interesting to note, some of the most outspoken YECs in CFC are not American.

 

[warpus]

It may be interesting to note that we are debating with an uneducated 17 year old

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Yes, but from a sociological perspective perspective my comment is more relevant, so

 

[Phlegmak]

It may be interesting to note, some of the most outspoken YECs in CFC are not American.

That's amazing. I remember now that classical_hero isn't American. I always thought this young Earth stuff was an American phenomenon.

 

[Xanikk999]

It may be interesting to note that we are debating with an uneducated 17 year old

Not to mention hes a drive by poster who jumps into the argument then leaves when he cant make an adequate rebbutal, like most hard-core creationists.

 

[kulade]

So, vesitgal organs? Many ssupposed vestigal organs are showing more and more evidence that they actually do have a part to play in the bodily function, albeit small and sometimes unnoticeable.

You present no proof, science or specifics in this claim. It is spontainiously generated BS.

As for Noah's Ark, the animals would simply walk across the land, a relatively small distance, to the Ark. The Earth was probably a pangaea before the flood, and all land would be connected. It was after the flood that the firmament (that evenly distributed the heat across the earth) broke, and wild conditions split the land to the position it is in today (and even still moving to this day...). Noah had a long time to plan for this journey (a couple hundred years), and with God's help he would have prepared the correct food, etc. Who's to say that people didn't live longer then either? The Bible says that God lessened their lifespan, so after the flood, ages deterioated from 900 years, to 120, to something like 80-90 nowadays.

You have driven the answer to an area you think you can uphold and avoided the main question. How could these animals return to their original homes (which you now claim we no there before the flood) and leave no biological offspring while surviving an enormous walk through a climate inhospitable to them? Tell me, please, how step-by-step an ostrich (or any other animal not native to Eurasia) could have gone from Mount Arafat in Turkey to Australia, a march that would require an enormous amount of food and energy, with no familiar food sources and without leaving traces and making across the ocean to Australia and North America an then ONLY residing there... You have succeed in avoiding the argument and bring it to another area where you are more comfortable with and without an answer to a simple question.

Finally, I never said I don't accept Revalation over Genesis - I believe both. Now, I realise there is some symbolism, but also some very literal and true things happen in Revalation. I would be a hypcrite to not believe Revalation .

The point is why do you believe Revelation to be symbolism, but not Genesis?

I have allowed you to submit to even the most basic logic, which a child could discern, and still you favor these old Bronze-Age explanations? Whether you yield to modern science or even reason is irrelevant now, as look what you have admitted yourself to believing! I did not pull up a long scientific musing to boggle your mind, but a simple inquiry, and you have avoided all three questions with irrelevant answers. I am beginning to believe that people only believe as they wish and are willing to compensate anything to support themselves. So please, answer the questions again in straight answers not in irrelevant lectures.



Once again, there is no shame is being proven incorrect, but there is in willing ignorance.

I will not look down on you if you yield to argument.

 

[Pokurcz]

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"'Originally Posted by Pokurcz
...(just as J does every Sunday)...'

No, every day, hour, minute, second, actually "

So thats why you don't have any time for that science balderdash.

 

[kulade]

It may be interesting to note, some of the most outspoken YECs in CFC are not American.

Here in my part of America, it seems people are quite dismissive of both science and religion. They'll say "Oh, yeah, sure I believe God made the world in six days, whatever..." They don't actually care either way. That's just this countries apathy to the world around them (which I'd love to rant about ). But here in the Bible Belt South, people seem to be fundamentals at least in word nearly all the time, yet never really consider the implications of science or religious faith. More or less Americans just take on their parents beliefs, vote 'Christian' on the census and go to church on Sundays and imitate convolutions, but in reality, there are relatively few people in the Bible Belt who will argue their faith, or even actually care deep down inside. Still when provoked the will argue science which they don't know with lots of fervor.

 

[warpus]

imitate convolutions?

 

[kulade]

imitate convolutions?

Convulsing, spelt it wrong. You know, drooling and screaming on the floor while they "feel the power of the Lord?"

Okay, a minor exaggeration.

 

[Masquerouge]

It may be interesting to note, some of the most outspoken YECs in CFC are not American.

Yet the US is probably the only place where Creationism is seriously discussed at a judicial, political and educational level.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Well, the only place in the Western world anyways.

 

[Xanikk999]

Yet the US is probably the only place where Creationism is seriously discussed at a judicial, political and educational level.

Really? I dont know of any places in the U.S where they teach creationism in public schools yet.

 

[mdwh]

But, back then, there were only a few main species, which have diversified into millions today.

So you do believe in evolution after all.

 

[kulade]

Really? I dont know of any places in the U.S where they teach creationism in public schools yet.

I believe it was mandatory in Kansas and some other states for a while. In a county next to mine, they were ordered to put little stickers in all biology books that said "Evolution is just a theory."

So you do believe in evolution after all.

Only when he needs to avoid answering another question...

 

[El_Machinae]

You present no proof, science or specifics in this claim. It is spontainiously generated BS.

I wouldn't be surprised if a vestigial organ preserved some function, or provided another function. It's genetically retained for a reason, one would think. So, while the appendix has been whittled down to a state where it no longer digests grasses, it might have some side functions that we don't mind having.

It's the way evolution works; it co-opts an organ to provide a secondary purpose. Sometimes the secondary purpose becomes dominant because the original primary function is no longer required.