Institutional racism in policing and how to rectify it.
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Especially when the imposition is exactly the same imposition the US has been demanding that the UN make on others.
"Why doesn't the UN do something about those dirty human rights violators? Hey! Get that UN outta here! We got human rights to violate! Damn UN! Why don't they get busy dealing with those human rights violators and leave us alone?"
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So if anyone still has any reservations about the issue of racism in policing; Daniel Pantaelo, NYPD officer, will NOT be charged for the murder of Eric Garner, which is on video and youtube.
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Was that also a case of a mock grand jury trial? Or did something else happen?
According to the NYT it was a mock grand jury trial, again. Here's Fivethirtyeight's take on the rarity of grand juries finding no true bill and declining to indict a suspect, for anyone who hasn't seen it. The take-home message:
Data for most states are marginally better, by which I mean the indictment rate is still 99+ percent, but not 99.99+ percent. Apparently grand juries essentially only decline to indict if the accused is a police officer.
Data for most states are marginally better, by which I mean the indictment rate is still 99+ percent, but not 99.99+ percent. Apparently grand juries essentially only decline to indict if the accused is a police officer.
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I think you're taking Bhsup's opinion of the UN, then extrapolating to a view you're reading into somebody that is not Bhsup, then finding hypocrisy between two different stances that have been frankensteined together.
No, it's not relevant, so stfu about what the USA is doing overseas in this thread.
If you want to talk about something relevant, maybe discuss that NYC case that was just announced. Unlike that other which shall not be named, there at least appears to me to be some legitimacy to the claim that police overreacted and got off scot-free in NYC.
If you want to talk about something relevant, maybe discuss that NYC case that was just announced. Unlike that other which shall not be named, there at least appears to me to be some legitimacy to the claim that police overreacted and got off scot-free in NYC.
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Whats your take on another white officer getting off scot-free for killing a black person, Bshup?
Honest question, i realise it might sound incendiary, but it seems the american policing system is really taking a battering and i wonder for how long can people continue to defend it, even if they do so with good, honest intentions.
Honest question, i realise it might sound incendiary, but it seems the american policing system is really taking a battering and i wonder for how long can people continue to defend it, even if they do so with good, honest intentions.
warpus
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That's pretty horrible. Fairly conclusive as well, I would say.
If I was American I would be upset. That's not justice.
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To stop defending it would require some clue how to fix it, for most people. When fixing it seems impossible, or incredibly painful, not seeing that it is broken by just refusing to look is more palatable.
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Do you think the death of Eric Garner is justifiable, as well as the cop getting off with it?
Don't you think recent events have shown that justice is a two-tier system; one for cops (and sometimes whites) and another for minorities and non-cops?
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Too bad America is so well off as a country generally speaking. Otherwise there would probably be people in the streets in all your large cities, causing Arab spring type mayhem. As it is though, people are comfy enough to not generally come out in large numbers and risk what they do have. That's the way I see it anyway.
Yeah, that's the one I was referencing above when I said
Now, I'll be honest, I wasn't even aware of this whole thing until I heard about a grand jury in NYC yesterday. I cannot possibly pretend to know all the ins and outs, but from the basic stuff I've read it certainly seems like the cop should be charged.
Now, I'll be honest, I wasn't even aware of this whole thing until I heard about a grand jury in NYC yesterday. I cannot possibly pretend to know all the ins and outs, but from the basic stuff I've read it certainly seems like the cop should be charged.
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I think it's two things really. First, I think the cops are more likely to randomly eff all and kill somebody of color. Or at least somebody of color is more likely to be killed by a cop for something that doesn't seem to warrant it, if that makes a significant difference. Second, I think cops are significantly likely to wind up not being held accountable no matter who they kill. I had hopes originally about this with the increasing availability of footage of these things happening, but between the Walmart, the NYC case, homeless white dudes, etc. that hope is wavering.
