iPhone X

warpus said:
It's utter crap compared to what Europeans and Asians pay for similar services. Canada's mobile industry is a joke
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Apparently here in France you can get like 30 GB of data and illimited calls and text throughout Europe for under 20 Euro per month.
 
Zelig said:
Roughly double the speed, much more secure, much better screen.
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Fast enough for anything you can use a cellphone for. As safe as you make it. Screen is superb and bigger... :dunno:
 
Javascript on webpages, which on the modern web is the overwhelming majority of page rendering time, objectively runs about twice as fast on an A11 as a Snapdragon 650.

Whatever version of Android you're running on that Xiaomi device has a ton of unpatched vulnerabilities. Check every security release Google has had since whatever the patch date is for your device.

If you look at objective measurements of display quality on say, Anandtech, Apple is miles ahead of anything Xiaomi has ever released.


If you don't think that's worth an extra thousand dollars for your use cases, that's fair, but claiming there's no difference is like claiming your Kia Sedona is on par with a Lexus IS.
 
Webpages render as fast as in my i7 7700k desktop. Which means almost instantly.

I will tell you when some russian hacker steals all my money from the bank, hasnt happened yet.

Objective measurements usually means nobody notice any practical difference until you say it is a superetina blablablah...
 
Narz said:
Samsungs are so much better. Can you finally add a memory card to this new iphone?
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Samsung hardware is nice but it's as expensive as iphones. And I prefer ios. It's like comparing mercedes and bmw or lexus vs acura.
 
Narz said:
They're made in China I'm sure...
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From Forbes magazine:

Forbes 2014 said:
Apple (AAPL) CEO Tim Cook has been taking some heat lately over the company's Made in China tech. Not only is one of its biggest manufacturers, Foxconn, wrestling with worker suicide due to stressful labor conditions, but many have wondered why the hot selling product can't be made in the U.S. instead.

Actually, a lot of the iPhone is already Made in the U.S.A.

A report written by three U.S. professors showed that only about "$10 or less in direct labor wages goes into an iPhone or iPad is paid to Chinese workers."

The report points out that while the Apple products - including components - are manufactured in China, the primary benefits go to the U.S. economy because Apple continues to keep most of its product design, software development, product management, marketing and other high-wage functions in the U.S., not China.

China's role is more of an assembler.

China Daily laid it all out in an article on Tuesday, saying that the iPhone starts out by Apple engineers in the U.S., is sourced with components from different parts of the world, mainly southeast Asia, and is only assembled at Foxconn in Taiwan.


Jason Dedrick, a professor at Syracuse University, said that China's trade balance with the U.S. is marginally affected by Apple. That's because most of the value in is captured by the brand itself, distributors and the retailers, not the manufacturers.

According to China Daily, citing the report, each unit sold in the U.S. for about $600 adds between $229 and $275 to the U.S.-China trade deficit per unit sold. Kenneth Kraemer, a professor from the University of California, said that most consumers don't understand how Apple's global supply chain works. "They focus only on the trade deficit with China, and therefore they think China has a bigger role. What they don't understand is that China gets all sorts of input from other countries from Japan, the U.S., Malaysia and so on. China's contribution is really a small amount of labor," Kraemer was quoted as saying in the paper.
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And this is not current, but it is interesting:

http://comparecamp.com/how-where-iphone-is-made-comparison-of-apples-manufacturing-process/
 
Zelig said:
Expandable storage is going away for every flagship in the longterm.

It degrades the user experience too much because of how much faster builtin UFS (or straight-up SSD, for iPhone) storage is than what people are inserting with SD cards.
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I don't notice any difference in speed between videos I watch from the 8gb internal storage and 128gb memory card.

What's the iPhone's internal storage? My girlfriend has an iPhone and is constantly having to delete apps because she can't add memory card.

Also, I remember having an ipod and how difficult it was to put songs on it. Non-apple products just act as a Hard Drive when attached to a computer, very intuitive, easy to transfer data.

Growing up (80s and early 90s) I loved apple products but nowadays I hate them. Funny enuf I remember giving up on Apple after Max OS X.
 
Well, no, you wouldn't notice any difference in speed in watching videos, that's one of the least-demanding things you can do with storage, unless you're watching high-bitrate 10-bit 4K video, which still only requires sufficient sequential speeds. (i.e. random speeds don't matter for video)

iPhone NAND performance: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus-review/4
microSD card performance: http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-microsd-card/

Those are the best microSD cards, and their speeds, compared to last year's iPhone, are roughly:
Sequential Read: 20%
Sequential Write: 40%
Random Read: 35%
Random Write: Really varies depending on card, potentially similar to builtin storage.

iPhone available in 64 GB or 256 GB.
 
Old trick of suppressing SD card to force gullible Apple clients to buy the much more expensive 256 GB version. And they do! It is good to be Apple.
 
Zelig said:
That's preposterous, sd card management on mobile is far more confusing than not having an sd card.

I can't even keep straight which versions of Android do what with SD cards, which manufacturers have disabled specific features on specific models, what the security implications are, which apps allow offloading which data to sd cards, etc.
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Like 90% of people even care beyond "I wish I could put more stuff in without having to pay through the nose for it". UX wise SD cards are simple even on the most archaic Androids. Even my tech and English illiterate father can use it without issues.
 
warpus said:
With the SD card in particular I have no opinion. I was just moreso commenting on the overall tactics of the company.
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Overall, Apple doesn't need to nickle and dime, they simply don't care about workflows they consider sub-optimal.

Kozmos said:
Like 90% of people even care beyond "I wish I could put more stuff in without having to pay through the nose for it".
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Because people don't realize how poorly sd cards perform and how negatively it would affect performance on an iPhone, particularly when they just go to Best Buy and get the cheapest one. Adding sd card support would require compromises for the users and workflows Apple cares about, so it's never going to happen.

Kozmos said:
UX wise SD cards are simple even on the most archaic Androids.
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No, they really aren't: https://www.androidcentral.com/kitkat-sdcard-changes
 
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