Iran is One Year away from the bomb!

[nivi]

Dirty bombs are AFAIK not considered WMDs, the reason is that they tend to not kill so many people, as with all terrorist weapons, the political and economic affects are much more important then the death count.

 

[Photi]

Seeing this thread reminds me of a dream last night, where the UK declared war on Iran and Russia (and I think they canceled any peace treaties with China, but kept to a cease fire). I remember seeing a few skirmishes between Iranian "Alpine Troopers" and British soldiers, but that was about it I think I've been playing too much civ...

Anyway, I'm very concerned by this. The India/Pakistan part of that region is already pretty dangerous, with Pakistan under the constant threat of an extremist uprising, so I can't imagine what would happen to the region if Iran, who already has an extremist government, and who see themselves as the main power in their little part of Asia, would also have the bomb. The main worry being that Iran would start to support Pakistani extremists, and therefore could be some kind of "united front" against the rest of the world, with people very high up in their respective governments that they could actually fire those nukes...

the extremist aspects of pakistan are wahabbi influenced and are very much anti-shia

 

[Photi]

"Agreed. It's time to move on and start focusing on some other aspects of Iran. For eg, thier human rights record...."

Go look at Chinas human rights record, guess we have to go and liberate the Chinese people from making our cheap Walmart goods.


Looks like those brown people are trying to become a first world country, gotta bomb them because that is not allowed.

terse, very terse, and true too!

 

[Photi]

Ha!

I'm not too worried...I am sure Israel will intervene at just the right moment and send Iran back another 10 years or so.

I just wonder what is more dangerous for the rest of us: Iran having the bomb or Israel eliminating it?

~Chris

i find this scenario highly unlikely. israel will continue to push for US action, but i doubt israel has the balls or the stupidity to do anything unilaterally. iraq was in the middle of a bloody war when israel bombed them, iran is a completely different story. if israel learned anything last summer, it is respect for hizbollah.

on top of this, in order for israel to bomb iran, they first have to get US approval, as the only feasible way to bomb Iran from Israel is through Iraq. Iran could very quickly make things ugly for the americans and the americans know that. we'll continue to hear whining from the israelis, and it remains to be seen exactly what Iran's intentions are, whether solely for domestic energy or a weapons program, but I think the fact of the matter is that the balance of power is shifting in the Middle East, that shift clearly favors Iran, and all this is making Israel nervous. too bad so sad.

*and* when the US finally gets it through its thick head that Iran is a rising power, which it eventually will, score another loss for the Israelis. nervous indeed. finally the zionists might actually have to start suing for peace.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Nope, I know absolutely nothing about nuclear weapon systems. Isn't there a distinction though between an actual nuclear weapon and a so-called "dirty bomb" which merely uses conventional explosives to spread radioactive material over a wide area (as opposed to actually splitting atoms)? 'Cos these would be considered WMDs in the sense of them being Chemical, Biological or Radiological. Besides, my point stands that I don't feel any less safe in the knowledge that Iran (may) have the bomb, because I already know that loads of nations whose governments I trust no more CERTAINLY have nukes.

Dirty bombs, or more technical sounding, radiological dispersion devices, are useless except as conventional weapons. The radioactive material dispersed is only a threat to the people close enough to get killed by the conventional blast.

Dirty bombs are AFAIK not considered WMDs, the reason is that they tend to not kill so many people, as with all terrorist weapons, the political and economic affects are much more important then the death count.

I think that they are considered weapons of mass destruction for the purposes of the news media whipping the populace into a frenzy.

 

[BasketCase]

The Soviet Union did have The Bomb.

The Soviet Union no longer exists.

Iran has teh bomb?? Scuse me all to hell if I don't care.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I doubt they will have a bomb in one years' time. You see, to enrich Uranium to power plant purity isn't THAT hard in the big scheme of things, you only need about 3-4% U-235 (the rest is U-238, a less reactive isotope). However, you can't use that grade Uranium for a bomb, it just won't work. Weapons grade Uranium, however, must be 90% U-235.

 

[Irish Caesar]

I doubt they will have a bomb in one years' time. You see, to enrich Uranium to power plant purity isn't THAT hard in the big scheme of things, you only need about 3-4% U-235 (the rest is U-238, a less reactive isotope). However, you can't use that grade Uranium for a bomb, it just won't work. Weapons grade Uranium, however, must be 90% U-235.

I trusted that the source took that into account, although I think Iran might be better off making reactor grade fuel and then extract the plutonium from the used fuel after running it.

And the exact figures are classified, the men in black suits who are now arriving at your house are your friends.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I trusted that the source took that into account, although I think Iran might be better off making reactor grade fuel and then extract the plutonium from the used fuel after running it.

Well you can get away with a dirty bomb at around 60% U-235, but less than that and the critical mass goes wayyy up. It also requires different extracting tools and processes to get up to that level of purity, and those kinds of things don't just invent themselves, Iran will have to come up with them on their own, and that takes serious time. Unless Russia decides to give them that, too, in which case we might as well rebuild the Berlin Wall and recomission the Iowas.

And the exact figures are classified, the men in black suits who are now arriving at your house are your friends.

Sure, I'd love to go out for some ice cream. What's that, you'll drive? Sweet.

 

[PersianBoy]

Hi meybe Iranians only going for new sources of energy, nobody saw Oil's price these days.
Why everybody think that Iran only target building nuclear bomb?

 

[George2816]

Hi meybe Iranians only going for new sources of energy, nobody saw Oil's price these days.
Why everybody think that Iran only target building nuclear bomb?

Because the zonists and their friends in washington d.c want to control $$(aka oil)

 

[PersianBoy]

Iran are building a nuclaer power planet with Russia, but Russia seems untrustfull and many times request more time to build it.
Iran by enriching Un 235 wana to sure that this planet never stop because of lack of enriched Un.

 

[PersianBoy]

3000 santrifuge in Iran only targeting steady flew of enriched Un up to the 3-4 percent and enriching up to 90 percent needed for Nukes is more far target than a 1 year target.
and sure if Israel know that Iran could build Nukes next year, bomb all the facilities.

 

[PersianBoy]

George2816:" Because the zonists and their friends in washington d.c want to control $$(aka oil)"
maybe, because I read some where that 70 percent of benefits of expensive oil go to Oil Companies and share of Oil exporting countries only 30 percent.

 

[Luckymoose]

You must leave Iran soon. Before we bomb your house.

 

[PersianBoy]

and another thing; saying that Iran wana Nukes to wipe out the Israel but this is false, Iranians calles Israel "First Qible" because of Urshalim and in Persian "Bit-ol-moqadas", means holly house.
Muslims first pray toward the Palestine and many places in Israel is holly and if some body try to destory them, Mullahs in Iran will protest.

 

[George2816]

You must leave Iran soon. Before we bomb your house.

Were you the one of those people that were cheering when we attack civs with missiles in iraq?? (I'm sure you were). IF we attack IRAN we can kiss the USA goodbye! (HMM?? Didn't hitler make up an attack on the border with france to justify all out war??)

George2816:" Because the zonists and their friends in washington d.c want to control $$(aka oil)"
maybe, because I read some where that 70 percent of benefits of expensive oil go to Oil Companies and share of Oil exporting countries only 30 percent.

You can debate that (people like rush or any rightwing nut job claims that oil companies only get 4-5 cents per gallon because they have tons of expense like paying ceo's millions, paying off congress, etc) BUt i'm right can you guess which USA company works in IRAN and guess who is getting deffered shares? (You got it good old[ wishes he has a heart attack dick!]

Why would we want to attack IRAN and not any country in africa that doesn't have oil or why don't we attack ISRAEL for the USS liberty??

 

[PersianBoy]

You must leave Iran soon. Before we bomb your house.

You bomb Iraq before but I don't think number of Iraqies outside Iraq rised in that time.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Were you the one of those people that were cheering when we attack civs with missiles in iraq?? (I'm sure you were). IF we attack IRAN we can kiss the USA goodbye! (HMM?? Didn't hitler make up an attack on the border with france to justify all out war??)

What the hell are you on about?

 

[George2816]

What the hell are you on about?

Some american's(if you can call them that??) were cheering when the USA miltary attacked civils with missiles. I was just asking if you were one of them