Iran, the Red Sea, and the West (tm).

[Samson]

It is probably mostly political will to not create the ghastly things.

I am sure you are right, and bombing cities could easily give them the political will to build one.

Iran threatened to leave the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) as Israeli bombing raids entered a fourth day

 

[EvaDK]

This is roughly equivalent to saying you hope the Russian people can rid themselves of Stalin's brutal tyranny, but it has nothing to do with current German military operations on June 23rd, 1941.

That analogy doesn't quite work.

Hitler and Stalin had a defensive pact up until that date (a fact Russian pro-war bloggers conveniently refuse to face). The Nazis and the Soviets invaded Poland and divided it between them. Two unimaginable evil genocidal despots. The objective of 'Operaton Barbarossa' was to create more Lebensraum for the German people to the East, to exterminate Slavic people and Jews within that space and grabbing the oil fields of the Caucasus under Soviet control.

But I hope Russia will liberate itself from Putin one day, true, even knowing that it won't happen. And whatever succeeds Putin, may not be an improvement at all.

 

[Akka]

This is roughly equivalent to saying you hope the Russian people can rid themselves of Stalin's brutal tyranny, but it has nothing to do with current German military operations on June 23rd, 1941.

I guess if we are stupid/ignorant enough to forget that Germany was actually invading and genociding Russians, while Israel is doing targeted (if messy) individual asassination, has no army in Iran and has two whole countries separating it from Iran, then yeah it's equivalent.
Also if we are stupid/ignorant enough to forget than barely two years ago, the Iran population had huge protests/revolts against their regime due to the morality police.

 

[Yeekim]

I planned say 3 week ago, that those wars (Syria, Ukraine - Russia, Gaza) just showed for whole Word that West is just Janus-faced jackal. (and of coz Russia is a part of West

There is a shorter way to say it: Russia is a jackal.
Leave "the West" out of your projections and dreams.

 

[Yeekim]

How can Israel remain assured of its ability to defeat a prosperous, liberal-democratic Iran with 10 times its population? Obviously, it cannot, and so such an Iran can never be allowed to exist.

"Prosperous, liberal-democratic Iran" would have no quarrel with Israel, for obvious reasons.

 

[red_elk]

Get the U-235 up near 100% from 1%

Separate it from U-238, chemically identical with tiny difference in density.

 

[Senethro]

"Prosperous, liberal-democratic Iran" would have no quarrel with Israel, for obvious reasons.

And what are those obvious reasons? We could see which ones pass or fail vs. current situation.

 

[Yeekim]

And what are those obvious reasons? We could see which ones pass or fail vs. current situation.

They have no territorial claims on each other. The conflict between them emerged after Islamic Relation in Iran, as ayatollahs pledged to destroy Israel due to religious anti-semitism.

 

[r16]

a "Prosperous, liberal-democratic Iran" would never be allowed to exist . Follow Pakistan with its singular "advantage" or whatever of being India's enemy when the totally isolated Red China had no particular outlet to the world . Their nuclear weaponry basically interdicted long before , with religious craziness stuff , even if formally rejected to have access in multiple times . Follow New Turkey , a long time NATO ally thing which sees Western support for radicalization at every turn , famously living through the defence of Democratic rights of stuff of a leader who openly stated he was not for Democracy and whatever .

islam (in the manner of a political entity that can be discussed out of matters of Faith) exists since 622 , kinda sorta falling short of Israeli claims and this with ignoring the Greater Israel issue in the first place . They would kill you is not that strong an argument if others are out to kill us as well . Like Iran and its ancestors with the same language and stuff has been holding that particular area since , what , right ?

 

[r16]

a first thing you can infer that Israel intentionally broke a number of deals , would be deemed responsible for the bloodshed if there was a court , this country has rejected part ownership of Pakistan's nuclear weapons multiple times and you can infer the reason if you are following the news for the last couple of days , ı have no 'ing intention of liberating South Azerbeycan because many people like perhaps you will then be discovering the Iranians have long been Europeans and thus deservedly live in the area and we don't deserve territory and everything should be turned over to Kurds , long suffering freedom loving people who invented THE fire and from whom all Mankind descends and so on . If you find these lines complicated and think reporting me and stuff , the CIA and FBI are on my case like officially since 2009 or whatever . The actual date depends what they will see fit to announce on some (US) Senate Hearing .

 

[r16]

the West will not allow competition , like a liberal or whatever Middle East or Middle Earth or anything . Because the West has once again been deterred , Iranians are now suffering for having chosen going nuclear to deter us Turks or something , instead of bolstering air defences . Or still trying to get back to square one where they are allied with Israel against the big problem . ClA will really not like you to deduce what this means .

 

[Senethro]

Easy: Not driven by Islamic religious pride and "we never release (or forget) that which we once had captured".
Maybe if you actually studied what radicalized Islam is about regarding "infidels" (that includes people like YOU, by the way), ya know?
Ninja'd by Yeekim, lol.

But Israel clearly has a religious pride element driving its current policy, so why would we assume these are incompatible? Or is Israel not a liberal etc democracy?


Edit: unrelated to above, op eds in UK newspapers starting building the case for invasion.

Israel knows what we won’t accept: the mullahs want nuclear war

The death cult in Tehran has never even tried to hide its intentions towards its Middle East enemy

www.thetimes.com

 

[r16]

to make the case more compelling , the British discovered the Protocols of Elders of Zion was an Okhrana plot in 1920 or 21 or thereabouts to break the imagined support of International Jewry and whatnot to the Anatolian uprising thing .

 

[r16]

Sorry , was going to add this

israel will drive the Palestinians out . Gazze first , because if peace was imposed by outside actors , Palestinian Authority would demand their share from undersea gas . Later from the entire occupied Palestine . This being the West Bank and territories Arafat recognized as Israeli land in 1993 .

Smotrich: Israel’s future is ‘to expand to Damascus’

Israel’s finance minister Bezalel Smotrich has acknowledged his aim for an Jewish state that not only encompasses all Palestinian territories but also extends to Syria, in the latest such ope…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

which is no doubt some Arab propaganda . Here , more of the same .

Smotrich calls for ’bit by bit’ Israeli expansion to Damascus

Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said the Israeli state’s borders should be expanded into Syria, a shocking new documentary has revealed.

www.newarab.com

with subtitles

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844466888870703380

because some sages wrote it in a book . Gazze was not some overcrowded hellhole forever . It used to have a lot less people in terms of percentage of the Palestinian population . Before the Israelis ethnically cleansed Southern Palestine and forced the refugees out to places . What personal guarantees is anyone willing to provide that the people of Gazze that migrated will not be told to migrate once more ? Say , a year later ? A decade ? Smotrich seems quite young ...

this forum is like Leftist in American style , if you are trying to bring some hammer down . Things are hard , if you leave it without outside pressure .

 

[r16]

if my links are paywalled , there seems to be a young minister in the Israeli cabinet that says their ancient texts say they have the right to settle so that Kudüs and Şam , Damascus to you foreigners , would be joined and become one city , if ı remember the thing correctly .

edit: This unimportant person is like reported to have blackmailed Netanyahu with a no-confidence vote so that there might be elections with leaks that Netanyahu allowed a border post to fall for the female personnel to fall to the hands of Hamas and stuff and with this maybe Netanyahu would fail to get enough votes and his Party block would disperse and he would go to jail and thus this is why the war is on ; happens now ; in a direction that will dissipate American strength and might really hurt Israel in the end . Netanyahu himself has been briefed about the goings in this forum , too .

 

[r16]

at this point nobody cares for what Trump thinks . When translated this means Israel is in deep trouble , even if or especially America joins the war directly .

edit: These consecutive posts were originally posted between an heated argument between other CFC members .

 

[Senethro]

I guess you can actually LINK-QUOTE the official Jewish religious source behind YOUR statement, right? RIGHT?
(Hint: "Elders of Zion" DO NOT count as such.)

EDIT: Paywall spam is NOT nice.

The pay walled garbage article was not to you, it was pointing out its starting to look a lot like war season. (Tone: negative)


My evidence is Israeli state policy and ministerial comment on colonisation and settlements in almost divine mandate style language.

 

[Somebody613]

The more things change - the more they DON'T change. Pathetic.

 

[Yeekim]

The pay walled garbage article was not to you, it was pointing out its starting to look a lot like war season. (Tone: negative)


My evidence is Israeli state policy and ministerial comment on colonisation and settlements in almost divine mandate style language.

Does any of that extend outside of historic Judea/Samaria/Palestine?

Even the craziest maps of "Greater Israel" I've seen do not include Iran.

 

[Snowygerry]

They do have an annoying habbit of meddling in other people's business :

Diaspora minister calls on Belgium Jews to flee, claiming Brussels can’t protect them from ‘Islamist mobs’

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

Then again so have the Iranians :

Belgian held in Iranian prison for more than a year is released | VRT NWS: news

A Belgian humanitarian aid work that had been held in an Iran prison since last February has been released. In a announcement made on Friday morning the Federal Prime Minister Alexander De Croo said that Olivier Vandecasteele is free and on his way home to Belgium.

www.vrt.be

They deserve eachother imho.