Iroqi Communication Thread

[greekguy]

I think we should refer to the zones of control as the "Strider Doctrine". We came up with the idea first, and it is better to be the origin of an idea, then its modifier. other than that, the message is good.

 

[donsig]

Greetings General Robi D,

My people and I were quite glad to hear from you. We are pleased that you are willing to accept your women back. They are old and grumpy now and we wish to rid ourselves of them. We are happy that you are willing to accept currency from us. This is indeed a fine technology. As we already have a large collection of Ironic literature we must pass on your offer of Iroqi literature, though I am sure your books are thrilling, especially the rewrites. My people are considering your offer of 25 gold and 1 gold per turn.

The establishment of these zones of control as you call them is unacceptable. The Sacred Jungle is not neutral territory, it is sacred territory. As for the areas north and south of the Sacred Jungle we might consider an agreement that forbids offensive Ironic military units south of the Sacred Jungle and forbids offensive Iroqi military units north of the Sacred Jungle. Offensive military units are horsemen, mounted warriors, swordsmen and immortals. We see no reason to place restrictions on the exploration and mapping of those parts of our continent which do not fall within either of our borders. This shall henceforth be known as the Strider Doctrine.

We look forward to hearing your reply concerning the Strider Doctrine. Until we hear from you about this we will table our discussion of the other terms you have suggested.

signed
donsig II
Grand Vizeer If the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

 

[greekguy]

Excellent job donsig! Send that to D'Nuts as soon as you can.

 

[donsig]

Greetings Grand Vizeer donsig,

We have received your reply and our General Assembly has begun discussing it however we seek a clarification. In your reply you said the Jungle that separates the Northern and Southern hemispheres of our Island is Sacred not Netural . We wish to know what this means to the use of the Jungle. Is it the same as we have proposed in calling it Netural territory as per our original reply and you just disagree with the actual name or are you proposing different conditions to the use of the Jungle area then we are. A prompt reply will greatly aide the speed of our own disscussions
Thank you
General Robi D

So, what do we tell them? We don't want to tip them off that we're going to build a city to grab the incense in the south. They might get incensed enough to try to stop that. So, perhaps it is best to stall for time and answer their question with a question. Here's a proposed reply off the top of my head. Let me know what you think.

Greetings General Robi D,

Salutations to your Grand Assembly. Your question is not easy to answer as we find it very difficult to define sacred. Our smartest people will soon be researching something called theology which will eventually help us with this definition. In the mean time, to paraphrase a wise man, while we can't define sacred we know it when we see it. Perhaps we would make more headway in these talks if you could define neutral for us. We could then respond and let you know if what you call neutral fits within what we call sacred.

May all your doughnut holes be small,

signed
donsig II
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

 

[Theoden]

A good way to gain time to settle the incense city. I think we should lie about theology though, and say that we are researching monotheism, to make them believe that the science alliance isn't as strong as it is (unless they don't know about the alliance in which case we would just reveal it by telling of theology).

 

[greekguy]

i agree with Theodon, making them think the Alliance of Science is weaker than it is, will change D'Nuts perception of us in a way that would benefit us. we should probably stall the talks with a bunch of messages like the one you proposed, donsig. once we found our incense city, we can say it's something they can't get mad at, because we haven't signed anything yet.

 

[BCLG100]

To buy some time we could just not reply for a couple of terms, claiming we were busy with more important matters of state, thats what they must have been doing to take 3 turns to reply to our original peace treaty.

 

[greekguy]

To buy some time we could just not reply for a couple of terms, claiming we were busy with more important matters of state, thats what they must have been doing to take 3 turns to reply to our original peace treaty.

:headslap: Now why didn't i think of that?! That would work perfectly BCLG.

 

[RegentMan]

To buy some time we could just not reply for a couple of terms...

lurker's comment: A couple of terms? That's a big grudge!

 

[BCLG100]

lurker's comment: A couple of terms? That's a big grudge!

everyone got what i meant

 

[donsig]

Greetings General Robi D,

I am riding south in an effort to personally attend peace talks with you. Sorry for inadvertantly attacking DS squad 5. As a general you must know how difficult it is sometimes to control fighting men. If opnly there were a way to undo what has already been done.

Having ridden south of the jungle in plain sight of your mounted warriors we will now see how much you and your people want peace. If you truly desire to end this war I'm sure you will see you way to not attacking a single band of warriors that is greatly outnumbered. Let the truce begin now and I will ride back into the Sacred Jungle and we will make peace. Please send my salutations to your Grand Assembly. Your question is not easy to answer as we find it very difficult to define sacred. Maybe someday when we research something called theology ww will know this definition. In the mean time, to paraphrase a wise man, while we can't define sacred we know it when we see it. Perhaps we would make more headway in these talks if you could define neutral for us. We could then respond and let you know if what you call neutral fits within what we call sacred. How does your assembly feel about only restricting each other's horsemen, mounted warriors, swordsmen and immortals from your proposed zones of control?

May all your doughnut holes be small,

signed
donsig II
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

 

[BCLG100]

kinda phased out during the sacred part but the 'jist' seemed ok.

 

[donsig]

The Iroqi reply to my latest message:

Grand Vizeer Donsig,

Here is a full explanation of our Zones of Control (ZoC) and Neutral Territory proposal.

Part 1a. Entry into the National Borders of the other party is strictly forbidden in the absence of a Rights of Passage (RoP) agreement between the two parties and will be considered an automatic declaration of war.

Part 1b. In the event a unit enters the other parties territory via a expansion of borders then that unit must leave the territory on the next turn without incident, otherwise it will be considered an automatic declaration of war.

Part 2a. The continent will be divided into ZoC with the continent North of the (sacred) jungle to be the TNT ZoC and the continent South of the (sacred) jungle to be the Doughnutian ZoC.

Part 2b. Any unit entering the other parties ZoC without prior agreement of both parties will be considered an automatic declaration of war.

Part 3a. The (sacred) jungle will remain Neutral territory with both parties able to move its units in the any part of the jungle without restriction except in the event it violates Part 1 of the agreement, in which case Part 1 takes precedence over Part 3.

As to the request of the TNT people for non-attacking units to be exempt from the ZoC (ie units with an attack value of 1 or less) the Doughnutia people have rejected that proposal. However as a show of good faith Doughnutia is willing to make one exception to the ZoC rule. This exception is that a party can enter the other parties ZoC with a maximum of two warrior units (ADM 1-1-1) for the purpose of exploration. These units must be disclosed to the other party before entering the that parties ZoC (ie a message advising the other party).

While this may not be to your satisfaction, do keep in mind this agreement is for twenty turns. I am sure you understand that the nearly sixty turns of war has eroded any trust between our peoples. This trust can only be rebuilt slowly, not only with lasting peace but also with both of us acting in good faith towards each other. If you choose to except our proposal of ZoC, then this would be the first step toward normalising relations between our people and not the end of the road. Continued actions of good faith will lead to more open relations in the future.

Finally you ask for an immediate truce and state that if we are serious about a peace agreement we will not attack your horseman. I would counter if you were serious about a peace agreement you would not have attacked with your horseman in the first place. We are happy to agree to an immediate truce once both of us have agreed to a peace settlement, but not beforehand.

I hope this has answered all your questions and look forward to hearing from you soon

signed

General Robi D
Representative of Doughnutia

My reply:
General Robi D,

I am in receipt of your latest. Will convey your words to my people if I make it back to them alive. That is of course up to you and your people. I have already apologized for the attack on DS squad 5. It was the act of impetuous soldiers under my command. You yourself recently pointed out how the score was ten to one. Can you, as a soldier, not understand my men's desire to add to our pitiful score? Take it as a sign of whatever you will. If you attack I will defend. If you kill me then your letter never reaches my people, the peace talks stall and the war continues. You have had ample time to debate your next course.

I will see you on the battlefield or across the peace table. It is your choice.

signed
donsig II
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

Edit: Well, they've played their turn already and killed me (again)!

 

[BCLG100]

lol just isnt your game can i have a bclg unit????

why not just say we accept their terms in the final letter so it is clear we are agreeing to a peace treaty.

 

[Strider]

Please send a reply back to them Donsig, stating that the "sacred" jungle is not neutral terrority. We already have cities inside of this neutral terrority, and it would be impossible for us to agree to a deal inwhich we've already broken.

Say it aggressively though, act like the proposal was insulting to us .

 

[donsig]

Please send a reply back to them Donsig, stating that the "sacred" jungle is not neutral terrority. We already have cities inside of this neutral terrority, and it would be impossible for us to agree to a deal in which we've already broken.

Say it aggressively though, act like the proposal was insulting to us .

I'm not so sure the proposal prohibits having cities in the jungle. Part 3 (the one about the jungle) has an exception for national borders with in the jungle. It's kind of moot because they killed me and so we not even got their proposal. Anyone out there care to become the new emissary to the Iroqi?

lol just isnt your game can i have a bclg unit????

why not just say we accept their terms in the final letter so it is clear we are agreeing to a peace treaty.

Do you want a bclg unit now or when the war is over? (It might live longer if you wait. )

 

[Strider]

I'll be happy to become the new diplomate to the Iroqi's.

 

[BCLG100]

Yer probably best waiting awhile

 

[Strider]

I think I'd make a great diplomat. After all, vieled threats and hidden falsehoods do much to terminate hostilities. When the vieled threats are directed against one's family and friends, anyway.

 

[donsig]

I think I'd make a great diplomat. After all, vieled threats and hidden falsehoods do much to terminate hostilities. When the vieled threats are directed against one's family and friends, anyway.

I think you'd be able to do a very good job for us Strider. When can you start?

Yer probably best waiting awhile

Instead of waiting till the war is over we could name a pikeman after you. Who knows, if the Iroqi attack you might survive and become elite. Think of it! Our first great military leader could be BCLG100!!!