Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Arakhor]

The only requirement now for Theresa May is to manage the Leaving.

The only requirement is managing Parliament and the electorate. Anything else is up to her.

 

[Gigaz]

Sadly Liam Fox's statement is broadly correct.

It is the situation in the UK that is ridiculous.

In the UK, there are an awful lot of business executives, government ministers, senior
civil servants and management consultants who have decided not to work Fridays.

They got there by networking rather than hard work, and regard themselves as an
elite being correspondingly entitled to a three day week end three times a month.

But when it comes to their own employees, they are only too happy to volunteer
them to work 14 hour days and give up their weekends; and if they don't; they
can always get another desperate unemployed or a Romanian to do for that.

This is particularly true in London.

Occasionally I would be summoned down to London at short notice on a Friday
(usually because the convener had failed to book a room on a Monday to
Thursday in advance). And the normally full floors would be very nearly empty.

I can remember a few years back the Indian head man of Tata steel in an interview
with, I think the BBC, praising his company's work force at the steel plants
but saying he could not contact any senior managers in London on Fridays.
I'd list the URL, but it seems to have been sanitised probably by those managers PR.

I find this not particularly surprising but still I think that the whole mindset of the business executives, government ministers, senior civil servants and management consultants is right and Liam Fox is a fool.

These business Elites obviously prioritize their happyness over their work like any reasonable person. If Liam Fox wants people to prioritize work and productivity for the good of Britain then he is a failure at his job.

If you think the Elite doesn't work enough and the common people too much then I can not really judge this. But obviously people make such decisions because they can afford to make them, and then they'll be having a good laugh about Liam Fox while they golf. For the Elite, Brexit was neither their idea nor their fault and frankly speaking, they will be still the Elite tomorrow no matter what. So why should they care? Most of them probably want Brexit to fail anyways.

If you want the poor to have more money for less work then this is completely reasonable and achievable, but you need political pressure and action and not just a joke figure who tries to appeal to the patriotism of rich cosmopolitans.

 

[JohannaK]

The whole point of Leaving is that the UK will be able to decide,
within practical reason, what its approach will be on:

(a) immigration policy
(b) spending money on the NHS
(c) laws
(d) etc

So you're arguing Britain needs to Leave the EU in order to be able to do the same things it was able to do within the EU. Flawless logic.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'll have you know, Johanna, that "laws, etc." are the cornerstone of the British constitutional traditional.

 

[W|M]

British Bill of Rights, 2018:

Article 1: All people who reside within British borders shall obey the laws, etc. or face punishment.

 

[bathsheba666]

Gigaz,
Sadly Liam Fox's statement is broadly correct.

It is the situation in the UK that is ridiculous.

In the UK, there are an awful lot of business executives, government ministers, senior
civil servants and management consultants who have decided not to work Fridays.

They got there by networking rather than hard work, and regard themselves as an
elite being correspondingly entitled to a three day week end three times a month.

But when it comes to their own employees, they are only too happy to volunteer
them to work 14 hour days and give up their weekends; and if they don't; they
can always get another desperate unemployed or a Romanian to do for that.

I sense a deep and complex truth is being revealed here. I can hardly wait for the sources.

This is particularly true in London.

Aargh. Those fiendish Londoners again. I feel deep shame...

Occasionally I would be summoned down to London at short notice on a Friday
(usually because the convener had failed to book a room on a Monday to
Thursday in advance). And the normally full floors would be very nearly empty.

Hmmm.
Was this so you could share your piercing northern insights? or to explain the latest disaster?

Next time, try to request that your arrival not be announced in advance. And then check if more people are present.

And should it be the 'summoning' that you particularly resent, you could always try networking a bit more....

I can remember a few years back the Indian head man of Tata steel in an interview
with, I think the BBC, praising his company's work force at the steel plants
but saying he could not contact any senior managers in London on Fridays.
I'd list the URL, but it seems to have been sanitised probably by those managers PR.
Edward

I think one anecdotal source every 4 or so years presents compelling evidence.

 

[EnglishEdward]

If you want the poor to have more money for less work then this is completely reasonable and achievable, but you need political pressure and action and not just a joke figure who tries to appeal to the patriotism of rich cosmopolitans.

As this thread is about the UK leaving the EU, I think it best I
don't further digress to discuss distribution of income/leisure time.

However a four day week culture amongst top management does
little for the UK's international competitiveness.

Theresa May appears to have appointed three joke figures, David Davies,
Boris Johnson and Liam Fox, none noted for diplomacy, to progress Brexit,
which makes me wonder if she is herself happy to sabotage it from within,
but perhaps she is merely letting them run off steam, and will do it herself.

Was this so you could share your piercing northern insights? or to explain the latest disaster?

Wrong. I am not a Northerner, in fact I was born in London.

And should it be the 'summoning' that you particularly resent,
you could always try networking a bit more....

I didn't resent the summoning. There was always someone there to meet me,
but I know someone who travelled to attend a meeting in person and found he was
the only person there, others had decided its Friday so hold an audio-conference.

 

[Takhisis]

British Bill of Rights, 2018:

Article 1: All people who reside within British borders shall obey the laws, etc. or face punishment.

Good thing that Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain.

 

[W|M]

All people who reside within Northern Irish borders shall face punishment regardless of obedience to laws, etc. or not.

 

[Old Hippy]

It is a big mistake to regard the various different Leave campaigners
many aspirations and claims as a rigid manifesto.

I think they are regarded as ridiculous by many to start with but they still form part of the mandate, are you saying the will of the people should be ignored...

The only requirement now for Theresa May is to manage the Leaving.

best of British luck to her considering she can not negotiate till she starts the process by declaring Britain will leave.
I really hope she pulls the rabbit out of the hat, instead of falling down the rabbit hole

 

[Truronian]

Recent news suggest things are not going smoothly. Fox's comments indicate he is frustrated and the grammar schools bill has be thrown out there to give the public something else to talk about. I suspect if Labour hadn't completely imploded May would be in a tight corner around about now.

 

[bathsheba666]

Wrong. I am not a Northerner, in fact I was born in London.

Ah, so you abandoned London on seeing those around you failing to share your work ethic.

Most inspirational.

 

[Arakhor]

Recent news suggest things are not going smoothly. Fox's comments indicate he is frustrated and the grammar schools bill has be thrown out there to give the public something else to talk about. I suspect if Labour hadn't completely imploded May would be in a tight corner around about now.

You're back!!

 

[Truronian]

You're back!!

I popped into the see if anyone was talking about the grammar proposals in England. When I saw that no-one was I shamelessly tried to derail this thread into talking about it.

 

[Arakhor]

From what I can see, it appears to be just a thinly veiled attempt to redo their academies idea by trading instead on the Tory mythos that grammar schools were a good idea. I wonder if this one will get slapped down as hard as last time.

 

[Truronian]

From what I can see, it appears to be just a thinly veiled attempt to redo their academies idea by trading instead on the Tory mythos that grammar schools were a good idea. I wonder if this one will get slapped down as hard as last time.

It won't get through the Lords, and it's unlikely to get through the Commons. It's still a worry for me though. May is likely to win the next election whenever it comes and if these proposals are on the Manifesto then England's education system is going drainward.

 

[Arakhor]

Well, that'll be 2020, by which time Brexit will have been accomplished (if it ever will be), so throwing out the education system at the same time seems like an example of good Tory planning.

 

[EnglishEdward]

I think they are regarded as ridiculous by many to start with but they still form part of the mandate, are you saying the will of the people should be ignored

The will of the people is for the UK to Leave the EU, and Yes it should be followed.

The other stuff was not on the ballot paper and is therefore not part of the mandate.

best of British luck to her considering she can not negotiate till she starts the process by declaring Britain will leave. I really hope she pulls the rabbit out of the hat, instead of falling down the rabbit hole

In my opinion Theresa May has done herself no favours by deferring things until 2017.

Ah, so you abandoned London on seeing those around you failing to share your work ethic.

Most inspirational.

Any chance of you debating the thread issue lest I conclude your decision to bait
me by personalising this, confirms that the Remainers have no valid arguments.

 

[EnglishEdward]

It won't get through the Lords, and it's unlikely to get through the Commons. It's still a worry for me though. May is likely to win the next election whenever it comes and if these proposals are on the Manifesto then England's education system is going drainward.

Welcome back.

If Theresa May is foolish enough to put something in the manifesto that tells
80% of parents their children are losers, she may not win the next election.

 

[Traitorfish]

The will of the people is for the UK to Leave the EU, and Yes it should be followed.

So which "people" are we talking about, here?