Is Britain about to leave the EU?

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Most of us did not bow down to those with experience and expertise, as infallible authorities, and vote as they instructed us. That is democracy.

I'm a physicist by training. So for the sake of the argument, let's assume someone comes to me and says he has a new theory and wants me to calculate something. From my expertise I can however tell that the theory is meaningless nonsense. So what will I do? Am I being honest and quit the job, or will I play along and deliver meaningless pseudoexpertise?
Smart people know what they don't know, and listen to advice.
 
It is probably best for them to advise on the facts and step outside the predictions business altogether.

So the ambassador should not report on predictions made by Europeans.
 
And I question the value of having Remainers, who are understandardly half hearted, overtly involved in the key roles.

Given that we are not yet a McCarthyist state, denying jobs and opportunities to people based simply on their current or previous political affiliations, no matter how much the Daily Fail and its afficianados would want it, I see this line of enquiry as divisive and barely short of malicious.
 
Is Brexit on? Well, maybe not, according to some analysts. The argument does seem to rest on the rather far-fetched possibility of a successful simultaneous EU reform process. Otoh, it's what's needed, regardless and independent of what the UK does from now on:
http://www.svd.se/dont-take-brexit-as-given/om/debatt
 
I think it is a juggernaut at this point.

I don't see much opposition within the tories or from Labour.

Edit: The opinion piece above seems to be in denial - not believing that they would vote to leave. The Irish media was like that last summer but pragmatism has for the most part taken over. How to minimise losses and maximise opportunities.

The cash for ash scandal in the north is a problem as northern politicians are distracted and an 'Irish' position will be difficult to present in the negotiations.
 
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I'm a physicist by training. So for the sake of the argument, let's assume someone comes to me and says he has a new theory and wants me to calculate something. From my expertise I can however tell that the theory is meaningless nonsense. So what will I do? Am I being honest and quit the job, or will I play along and deliver meaningless pseudoexpertise?
Smart people know what they don't know, and listen to advice.

Physics is a largely determinate hard science. Hardly comparable with political theory and futures.

There is a distinction between listening to advice, and following advice purely because it is from an expert.
If the adviser is piqued merely because Theresa May won't do what he advises, that is his problem.

I listened to plenty of so called advice from remainers to vote Remain before deciding to vote Leave.

The reason I say so called advice is because much of it was propaganda and full of obvious holes.


So the ambassador should not report on predictions made by Europeans.

Not at all. If an important european such as Angela Merkel clearly makes a relevant prediction, the ambassador may report that fact.
However it is not the job of the ambassador to be making his own predictions, or agreeing or endorsing with others' predictions.


Given that we are not yet a McCarthyist state, denying jobs and opportunities to people based simply on their current or previous political affiliations, no matter how much the Daily Fail and its afficianados would want it, I see this line of enquiry as divisive and barely short of malicious.

The concept that key jobs concerning Leaving the European Union should be given to enthusiastic Remainers
makes about as much sense as nominating an unrepentant Richard Dawkins to be the next Pope.

Besides which the facts here are that:

(i) Sir Ivan Rogers was not entitled to a job for life

(ii) Sir Ivan Rogers chose to resign.

(iii) The Prime Minister is entitled to appoint a replacement who will be enthusiastic about it.
 
The concept that key jobs concerning Leaving the European Union should be given to enthusiastic Remainers makes about as much sense as nominating an unrepentant Richard Dawkins to be the next Pope.

Who said anything about requiring jobs to go to Remainers, enthusiastic or otherwise? Jobs should be given to those who are capable of doing them, provided that they are eligible. (Dawkins, not being a Catholic, is not eligible to be the next Pope.)

Why do you think I care about Sir Ivan, specifically? The Prime Minister is entitled to appoint anyone if that is her mandate. (Of course, not being enthusiastic about the job is a charge that could well be applied to Mrs May as well.)
 
I think it is a juggernaut at this point.

I don't see much opposition within the tories or from Labour.

Edit: The opinion piece above seems to be in denial - not believing that they would vote to leave. The Irish media was like that last summer but pragmatism has for the most part taken over. How to minimise losses and maximise opportunities.

Thank you. I note from reading the article that the failure to understand why the UK electorate voted to Leave persists in Sweden.

..an 'Irish' position will be difficult to present in the negotiations.

If presented via the EU Commission, that is probably true.
 
The reason I say so called advice is because much of it was propaganda and full of obvious holes.

Well of course it was propaganda, as far as you're concerned. That's like saying the sky is blue.

(I'll note that it might well have been a poor argument too, but I highly doubt that you would have been convinced otherwise.)
 
Given that we are not yet a McCarthyist state, denying jobs and opportunities to people based simply on their current or previous political affiliations, no matter how much the Daily Fail and its afficianados would want it, I see this line of enquiry as divisive and barely short of malicious.

Regarding McCarthyism you forget about the suspension of John Longsworth, Director General
of the British Chambers of Commerce after he expressed scepticism about the European Union.


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...erce-boss-suspended-in-brexit-row-reports-say

Now tell me how many Remainers have been suspended since the Referendum because of their views?
 
I realise that God himself could yell from the heavens that he supports Remain and you probably still wouldn't change your mind, but please stop behaving as if everyone who disagrees with you is equally set in their ways. In response to your query though, given that that happened before the referendum, how many Leavers have been suspended afterwards? Newsflash: it's wrong either way.
 
I realise that God himself could yell from the heavens that he supports Remain and you probably still wouldn't change your mind, but please stop behaving as if everyone who disagrees with you is equally set in their ways. In response to your query though, given that that happened before the referendum, how many Leavers have been suspended afterwards? Newsflash: it's wrong either way.

When did I say that people who disagree with me are set in their ways?
 
You didn't specifically, no, but the very odd way you keep reacting to my posts makes me think that you're not actually talking to me but to the anthropomorphic representation of the Remain campaign.
 
These comments are causing a stir on the Guardian, 9000 comments and rising by the second:

"Corbyn on Brexit: UK can be better off out of the EU


First speech of 2017 will make clear that Labour is not wedded to free movement and supports ‘repatriating powers’ from Brussels"

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-better-off-out-of-eu-with-managed-migration

To be honest, Corbyn has seen the writing on the wall and needs to change his stance on the EU to stop UKIP gaining round in Labour northern seats. Interesting timing with this statement too, since it's just before the Supreme Court judgement.
 
The Supreme Court judgement should make absolutely no difference, given that they're ruling on whether the Prime Minister can make or break laws independent of Parliament.
 
It might allow him some kind of posturing opportunity whatever the result, just a thought really.
 
I very much hope Trump declares unlimited support for the UK and promises sanctions against any state which votes against continued free trade with the UK.

Make it clear that their attempts at economic warfare will not be tolerated and that the US and UK stand united against anyone who would attempt to economically harm the other. The claim that free trade is impossible without open borders is nonsense and it needs to be made clear that such lies will not be tolerated.
 
Thank you for your continued participation, Oerdin. :rolleyes:
 
I very much hope Trump declares unlimited support for the UK and promises sanctions against any state which votes against continued free trade with the UK.

You know what ? I hope so too !
:lol:
 
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