Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Arwon]

There were very few British invaders. In most instances it was mainly Indians fighting Indians.
Some Indians fought to defend the native Princes against the East India Company;
other Indians fought for the East India Company against those native Princes.

The East India Company directors and oficers liked to assume it acquired dominance because
it was better organised and they were therefore better and all that crap, but it is arguable that
it was only successful because the Indians were on balance so horribly treated by their own
rulers that on balance the most effective troops preferred to fight on the side of the British foreigners.

So in a sense, the Indians did acquiesce to British rule.

The term occupation is misleading. Much of India was never occupied by British troops.

Wow okay

 

[Ferocitus]

There were very few British invaders. In most instances it was mainly Indians fighting Indians.
Some Indians fought to defend the native Princes against the East India Company;
other Indians fought for the East India Company against those native Princes.

The East India Company directors and oficers liked to assume it acquired dominance because
it was better organised and they were therefore better and all that crap, but it is arguable that
it was only successful because the Indians were on balance so horribly treated by their own
rulers that on balance the most effective troops preferred to fight on the side of the British foreigners.

So in a sense, the Indians did acquiesce to British rule.

The term occupation is misleading. Much of India was never occupied by British troops.

The English went there, killed locals, and plundered what they could.
Invasion and occupation - no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I think this discussion demonstrates the real reason why it shouldn't have been used as an analogy. Not because it's "offensive", but because it's totally derailed the conversation (or at least branched the train off into an old, disused siding).

 

[really]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-bell-uk-us-theresa-may-donald-trump-cartoon

Trump and Teresa May are meeting today.
I expect a lot of sound bites but not much substance.

 

[Kyriakos]

^That looks revolting

 

[Yeekim]

The Irish flag will never be the same for me again.

 

[Traitorfish]

Britannia's final revenge.

 

[Silurian]

The clause 50 bill for info.


"A

BILL

TO

Confer power on the Prime Minister to notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty
on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the
EU.

Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and
consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present
Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

1 Power to notify withdrawal from the EU
(1) The Prime Minister may notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European
Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU.

(2) This section has effect despite any provision made by or under the European
5Communities Act 1972 or any other enactment.

2 Short title
This Act may be cited as the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act
2017."




http://www.publications.parliament....6-2017/0132/cbill_2016-20170132_en_2.htm#l1g1

 

[Arakhor]

1.2 is a pretty silly line, as it could be claimed to bind a future Parliament, which is explicitly impossible.

What's even sillier is the vast waste of time and money the Government has caused by refusing to consult Parliament in the first place.

 

[Silurian]

1.2 removes previous legislation stopping clause 50.

I agree it is a bit silly. The government does not appear to have had any medium term stratergy.

 

[Arakhor]

It doesn't appear to have had any strategy at all.

 

[Ajidica]

It is times like this I wish Quackers was still around.

The schedule referred to the prime minister three times as "Teresa May", leaving out the "h" in her first name.
...
It later repeated the mistake, saying: "The president participates in a working luncheon with Teresa May, Prime Minister of United Kingdom."

The same error was also made once in a guidance note from the office of Vice-President Mike Pence. The prime minister's name was, however, spelled correctly elsewhere in the same note.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38771176

If Obama returning a bust of Churchill was "destroying the special relationship", I dread to think of what "being too lazy to know how to spell a foreign leaders name" would do to that relation in his eyes. I mean, it isn't like Theresa May has a particularly hard name to spell, not like some Indian or South East Asian leaders whose names have more letters than a can of alphabet soup.

 

[Arakhor]

I thought the more grievous error was calling her "Prime Minister of United Kingdom". Does the writer simply not understand English usage?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I thought the more grievous error was calling her "Prime Minister of United Kingdom". Does the writer simply not understand English usage?

Maybe that's their outreach to millennials who grew up with poorly translated video games from Japan.

 

[Kyriakos]

I suppose there will be cringe-worthy quotes from the Trump-May meeting. "Sad!"

Wait:

Where is Theresa May? All i see there is Trump and Blair in drag.

 

[Arakhor]

And now apparently May has refused to condemn Trump for his ridiculous travel sanctions. So much for our brave new world of British influence.

 

[Gigaz]

I wonder whether he tried to grab her by the pussy. I guess she would have tolerated that.

 

[Arakhor]

May's "international influence" has fallen at the first hurdle. Take note: this will happen again and again and again if our precious golden world of international trade will be affected (i.e. each and every time).

 

[EnglishEdward]

It's amazing that a Leaver can constantly bleat on about EU tyranny

I have not used the term "EU tyranny". Indeed I regard it as very inaccurate as there is no "tyrant" running the EU.
I tend to regard them as very much well intentioned technocratic bureaucratics albeit with a few political types.

be completely blind to the difference between the people's will and their rulers' in other cases.

I am well aware of the differences which were greater in countries in their pre-democratics times.

Little Britain, indeed.

Which does not wish to be ruled as an offshore possession of a largely Franco-German compromise.

 

[Arakhor]

The double-think in that post is quite remarkable.