Is Elon Musk a fraud?

Is Elon Musk a fraud?

  • Yes, he is a fraud

    Votes: 41 70.7%
  • No, he isn't a fraud

    Votes: 17 29.3%

  • Total voters
    58
Twitter account of Alexei Navalny's wife that she only created yesterday after she announced that she would "pick up the banner" of Russian opposition against Putin, was suspended today.

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Coincidentally, Musk makes another post on Twitter saying Ukraine should surrender to Russia.
 
Twitter account of Alexei Navalny's wife that she only created yesterday after she announced that she would "pick up the banner" of Russian opposition against Putin, was suspended today.

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Coincidentally, Musk makes another post on Twitter saying Ukraine should surrender to Russia.
I was just on her account... doesn't look suspended.
 
I was just on her account... doesn't look suspended.
BBC said:
On Tuesday afternoon her account was briefly not accessible to users.

In a statement, X said it was blocked "mistakenly" due to a system "error".

A post on the site's official safety account read: "Our platform's defense mechanism against manipulation and spam mistakenly flagged @yulia_navalnaya as violating our rules.

"We unsuspended the account as soon as we became aware of the error, and will be updating the defense."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68350222
 
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That's assuming Tesla employees get (on average) in the neighborhood of 100K dollars, which also isn't that likely. There are over 100.000 of them (roughly 120K in the US and google says up to 20K more worldwide).
The Ceo being paid half a million times more than the average employee, and 5 times more than all of them combined, is certainly very cool.
 
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I really don't see the big mystery here.... he is just living his best life on a foundation of generational wealth and not caring what anyone thinks. Of course he is not what he pretends to be, he has absolutely no incentive to be anything anyone wants him to be. Even if he loses everything tomorrow.... he has enough hidden away to retire comfortably and do dad jokes for the rest of his life. His only driving force now is to do things others cannot.... and ATM he is trying to build the best AI which is why he really bought twitter.
 
Any reason to think Musk is actually in the AI race when so many known AI exist - and none by Musk?
If we are to assume that getting Twitter was planned, I can see it as a launching pad to have a China-like all-app (which is also what Musk himself has said), not AI-related.
 
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I really don't see the big mystery here
The mystery is how come so many still back him and join the Muskwaggon.
ATM he is trying to build the best AI which is why he really bought twitter.
I think that that's just him doing more hyperbolic promising, like the time with the hyperloop trains. He bought it and can't make ends meet and somebody else already beat him to AI breakthroughs. The rest is just him trying to bluff his way out of things as he always does.
 
Yeah, no. He absolutely did not buy Twitter to build an AI with. He bought Twitter because it's his favourite plaything, because he refused to pay out to be released from the initial purchase contract, and because he's always wanted to have an "everything" app called X.
 
On the issue of AIs:


Elon Musk sues OpenAI accusing it of putting profit before humanity

Lawsuit says chief executive Sam Altman’s deal with Microsoft has broken organisation’s mission

Elon Musk has filed a lawsuit accusing OpenAI and its chief executive, Sam Altman, of betraying its foundational mission by putting the pursuit of profit ahead of the benefit of humanity.

The world’s richest man (sic), a founding board member of the artificial intelligence company behind ChatGPT, claimed Altman had “set aflame” OpenAI’s founding agreement by signing an investment deal with Microsoft.

Spoiler :
The lawsuit, filed in San Francisco on Thursday, claims OpenAI is now developing artificial general intelligence (AGI) – a theoretical form of AI that can perform a range of tasks at or above a human level of intelligence – for profit rather than for the benefit of humankind.

“OpenAI Inc has been transformed into a closed-source, de facto subsidiary of the largest technology company in the world: Microsoft. Under its new board, it is not just developing but is actually refining an AGI to maximise profits for Microsoft, rather than for the benefit of humanity,” the lawsuit alleges.

The suit opens with Musk’s often-stated warning that AGI poses “a grave threat to humanity”.

“Where some like Mr Musk see an existential threat in AGI, others see AGI as a source of profit and power,” said the lawsuit, adding that in the hands of for-profit companies such as Google, AGI poses a “particularly acute and noxious danger to humanity”.

Musk and other tech experts are concerned that an AGI could evade human control and take actions that endanger the planet.

The suit claims Altman purported to share Musk’s concerns over AGI and in 2015 proposed forming a non-profit AI lab that would be “the opposite of Google”, now known as OpenAI. Together with Greg Brockman, OpenAI’s president, who is also being sued by Musk, the three men agreed to create a lab whose principles would be enshrined in a founding agreement.

The lab would be “for the benefit of humanity”, would be a not-for-profit company and would be open-source, the term for making the technology freely available.

The lawsuit claims that Musk, who stepped away from OpenAI in 2018, was a “moving force” behind the creation of OpenAI and supplied a majority of its funding in its early years. Microsoft is now the biggest investor in OpenAI’s profit-making arm, which Altman runs, after a deal struck in 2020.

The lawsuit claims that OpenAI, Altman and Brockman “set the founding agreement aflame” in 2023 after releasing GPT-4, the powerful model that underpins OpenAI’s ChatGPT chatbot. GPT-4’s design was kept secret and such behaviour showed a radical departure from OpenAI’s original mission, the lawsuit said.

“This secrecy is primarily driven by commercial considerations, not safety,” says the lawsuit, which is claiming breach of contract, breach of fiduciary duty and unfair business practices.

It added that GPT-4 was an AGI technology effectively owned by Microsoft, an arrangement that is allegedly outside the scope of the company’s licensing agreement with OpenAI. The lawsuit also claims OpenAI is developing a model know as Q* [Q star] that has an even stronger claim to be AGI.

The lawsuit goes on to claim that the tumultuous period of events in November 2023, when Altman was sacked as OpenAI’s CEO and then reinstated, showed Microsoft had “significant leverage” over the company. The new board introduced after Altman’s reinstatement does not have the expertise to ascertain whether the company has achieved AGI and thus whether it has produced a product outside the scope of Microsoft’s licence, the lawsuit adds.

“This case is filed to compel OpenAI to adhere to the founding agreement and return to its mission to develop AGI for the benefit of humanity, not to personally benefit the individual defendants and the largest technology company in the world,” the lawsuit claims.

OpenAI’s deal with Microsoft is being scrutinised by competition authorities in the US, the EU and the UK.

Brian Quinn, a professor at Boston College law school in the US, said there were multiple issues with the lawsuit. He said Musk did not have the standing to sue for breach of the OpenAI board’s certificate of incorporation because he was not a board member. The suit addresses this by claiming that a 2015 email between Musk and Altman setting out the founding agreement, together with the certificate, constitutes a contract. Quinn said this fell “far short” of being a viable legal argument.

A demand for return of money that Musk invested in OpenAI was also likely to fail because the suit claimed OpenAI veered from its mission in 2023 – long after Musk stopped supporting the non-profit.

“It’s hard to see that he has any standing to attempt to enforce his ‘founding agreement’ or the certificate,” said Quinn.

OpenAI, Microsoft and Google have been approached for comment.

The man still thinks of himself as a saviour of humanity.
 
This AI hype is a fraud too, lol. Yet another bubble, but which Musk is not part of. Cause Musk had made a bet on something more tangible and serious AI-related. So, as a showman making money from a show he has to be part of that hype not to miss it completely.

However, under all that hype and unseriousness of the neural network bubble there's something real. Automatization goes a little bit further. It doesn't change anything in the everyday life of a commoner, but it brings capital to further centralize. Which means that some of the fat cats have to go. And if you don't, you are fighting your way as usual: lawsuits, technobable, whatever it takes.
 
The core of the issue is the fact that ChatGPT really is head and shoulders above competition. Not only it does a lot of individual things better than competition, it is, actually, a finished polished product enclosed within application downloadable from Apple or Android. This normally takes years to develop and fine tune and get right. Sam's OpenAI immediately got it right, just like that. I used it to translate pages of English text into other languages (and vice versa) better than I'll ever do, it translates walls in seconds. I used it to write me code and to polish my code. It draws impressive pictures, connects to remote interfaces via API, etc. I used to to write a program that analyses conversations from voice recordings and outputs formally logical reasons for why this or that speaker is out of line. OpenAI is beta testing video creation model right now, called Sora. ChatGPT currently connected to itself a growing ecosystem of smaller specialised "intelligences", created to solve niche problems from sauce creation to molecular biology. Unlike most competition, one can interact with ChatGPT (ask questions, receive answers) with just voice, no typing.

This thing, this product is 12 months ahead of everyone else. At least. As a casual user of multiple models (Meta, Google, others), it isn't immediately apparent to me why OpenAI's product is so much better. There is secret sauce in Sam Altman's salad, I tell you! Or maybe that's what happens when hundreds of thousands of people start to seriously solve one particular problem. Popularity explosion is, in many ways, unprecedented.

Anyway, Sam & friends own the sauce. And Sam's life has been anything but easy since he became, allegedly, a billionaire saucier. His own board tried to oust him, only to be saved and reinstated by Microsoft CEO at the last moment. He is currently investigated by SEC for board shenanigans. He is constantly attacked by Musk, who also wants the secret sauce for his AI called "Grok", which lives in twitter-x as a paid subscription.

Musk needs AI integration to organise a breakthrough for his Tesla self-driving.
He needs it to elevate his own AI above everyone else's so that HE can sell it, not some small potato billionaire competitor from OpenAI.
This is the glue that can boost his empire in so many ways and eventually give him another shot at storming the corporate Olympus again.
Nothing else will get him back: not cars (a very low margin business), not satellites (business of the distant future). Not tunnels. (Stupid business)

So, Musk attacks in hopes of slowing Chat GPTs development progress and in hopes of favourable settlement. This is "AI Wars, Chapter 1", friends, buckle up.
 
AI is no bubble, though. All signs point to it being the most important development of our era.
Do you remember the hype about 3d-printers? Augmented reality? Etc. Where's it now?

AI and neural networks have been there for decades. And there's nothing important about generating funny texts or pictures. Which is not something new either.

ChatGPTesque AI produces nothing aside from that hype. What neural networks were good for, they've been used there for a long time.

In ten years you will have all the same talking about how AI makes super progress, just wait to see. Just like Musk. Just more garbage content and more lazy software-assisted work with absent quality control.

The bad thing is that people do really believe in that hype, and some people will use the generated garbage in some serious work leaving errors there leading to defects and accidents with less personal responsibility.
 
I don't agree at all. Furthermore, the issue of hard AI being real is an entirely different one. I personally don't see AI as hard AI (as in being able to develop sentience or intelligence), but can tell that it already is going to dominate the near future.
No reason to act like computers were always able to do stuff with a non-coded prompt, let alone anything like what we are now seeing.

I also don't see what you mean about 3d printers. People have built businesses on them and the major companies also use them. Hook it to an AI and you can have your own material game brand (if you've got the capital for the printers, that is).
 
Musk needs AI integration to organise a breakthrough for his Tesla self-driving.
He needs it to elevate his own AI above everyone else's so that HE can sell it, not some small potato billionaire competitor from OpenAI.
This is the glue that can boost his empire in so many ways and eventually give him another shot at storming the corporate Olympus again.
Nothing else will get him back: not cars (a very low margin business), not satellites (business of the distant future). Not tunnels. (Stupid business)

So, Musk attacks in hopes of slowing Chat GPTs development progress and in hopes of favourable settlement. This is "AI Wars, Chapter 1", friends, buckle up.

That's an interesting analysis. Thanks!
 
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