Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
And pointed and laughed at Hygro, whose leg got chopped off when he hurriedly jumped into his Cybertruck and slammed the door a little too fast.
Is Elon Musk a fraud?
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Hygro
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You have a terrible habit of imagining things about other people that aren't true, for audience validation that doesn't exist. Like Musk obviously thinks about building real things, that's not a zinger. Went off the deepend. Cybertruck is a mixed bag. It's extremely ergonomic in many ways, its very stylish and very hatable.
Meanwhile yeah I definitely have "thought about building" physical things. What is this even. Go back to the greentext caves where you'll get the responses you seek.
But how about you. What you build when you're not communicating grotesque fantasies of hate to people?
This is one of my bugbears, and Tesla is very far from the only company to have gone the touch screen route. I do not understand how it can be illegal to use a phone but legal to control the whole car from something that needs about as much attention to use.
Have you driven a BMW or a Merc? I am not quite sure what it is that makes the difference, but all that I have had of these marques have had the throttle hinged at the bottom, and all other cars I have had it hinged at the top. The BMW/Merc configuration is more ergonomic for me.
As far as the "releasing the throttle applies the regenerative breaking" this seems awfully like the "lift and coast and use the engine as an air pump" method of saving fuel and brake pads that you get with a manual transmission and give up with an automatic transmission. I have thought many times, while I have been rolling down a hill from an american ski resort in a manual car in 2nd or 3rd without touching the pedals for miles and the cars around me are braking half the time that having auto cars in hilly areas must increase brake wear by an enormous factor.
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
I think my volvo had the pedal attached to the bottom. I wouldn't know the engineering ins and outs. But I do know that all my car lovers who tried it, got a tesla and switched to 1 pedal driving. This includes my "manual only, beamer for life" buddy. I tried it, it's a little weird, but that's just because it was new. Have you tried one?
No, I have not and I do not think I am likely to.
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
They're pretty incredible. A lot of cool little things and a few obvious big ones. You won't hear about it because Musk Bad. The interior of the S is super comfortable. The 3 and Y are ... fine. Better than the $40k electric Kia I rented a while back. And much quicker/faster.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
What, you mean, literally? So on the playground did you push up your glasses and go “actually my mom isn’t fat enough to sit ‘around’ the room.”
Name one. No, name a couple, since you’ll probably bring up the broken damn foot pedal again.
I would not recommend engineering school for you, in that case.
Oh, it definitely won’t help you to go down this road. Suffice to say Musk wishes he could attract talent like mine.
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
lmfao!
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Thank you, thank you! 
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
So let's see it, let's see your resume o' talented one.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Find me on Discord, young one. All your questions will be answered - on the other side.
Lexicus
Deity
Your discord link was broken when i tried to click on it a few months back
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Well! Egg on my face! Must have gotten too hot.
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Funny discussion. Go ahead, tell me that Musk is a worker exploiter, a deceitful, egoistic sob! - I'll agree with you. That's how a capitalist shark should be. But don't tell me Tesla is a badly designed car. I can think of three places that one could come from - someone who never drove one; someone who doesn't drive at all, but trusts modern auto press out of Berlin and Detroit wholeheartedly; someone who is so bad at driving, they are not in a position to understand the intricacies of car safety. I've driven many cars over 25 years of licensed driving, never experienced anything like that Model 3 they lent me for an hour. The car has a comfort of a Bentley (very, very nice seats), speed and control are ferocious, and the electronic interface is spaceship-next level.
This exchange I had to read was continuous facepalm. Did you imagine Musk hired some marketing dudes to shout "Tesla,Tesla,Tesla" night and day and that's how he sold millions of cars in a tightly competitive global car market, while becoming the biggest manufacturer at one point? A snail couldn't enter car market, that's how narrow cracks in the wall were. No, no, my friend, there is another reason people buy Teslas in great numbers. Over the last 10 years most manufacturers have rushed to copy the latest and greatest Musk's engineers are installing: the Chinese, the Americans and Europeans try to copy Tesla's solutions. Sometimes successfully. They try to copy monitor size and placement, they were forced to, for the first time, to start improving software yearly (because Tesla does it weekly). They are forced to make cars faster and safer - because Musk casually sells 1000 hp sedans like it's nothing, while constantly reaping highest national safety ratings.
This copying pattern is there not because they, the classic car manufacturers, are a bunch of nice people, who care about me, the driver - but because Musk made them do it, he made them lose money against their will and better judgement, by strangling them through competition, while making air in big cities cleaner to breathe. That recurring pattern of "I never drove one, but I think it's badly designed, unergonomic, etc" misses an important point - it's actually a hell of a car, respected by drivers on all continents.
This exchange I had to read was continuous facepalm. Did you imagine Musk hired some marketing dudes to shout "Tesla,Tesla,Tesla" night and day and that's how he sold millions of cars in a tightly competitive global car market, while becoming the biggest manufacturer at one point? A snail couldn't enter car market, that's how narrow cracks in the wall were. No, no, my friend, there is another reason people buy Teslas in great numbers. Over the last 10 years most manufacturers have rushed to copy the latest and greatest Musk's engineers are installing: the Chinese, the Americans and Europeans try to copy Tesla's solutions. Sometimes successfully. They try to copy monitor size and placement, they were forced to, for the first time, to start improving software yearly (because Tesla does it weekly). They are forced to make cars faster and safer - because Musk casually sells 1000 hp sedans like it's nothing, while constantly reaping highest national safety ratings.
This copying pattern is there not because they, the classic car manufacturers, are a bunch of nice people, who care about me, the driver - but because Musk made them do it, he made them lose money against their will and better judgement, by strangling them through competition, while making air in big cities cleaner to breathe. That recurring pattern of "I never drove one, but I think it's badly designed, unergonomic, etc" misses an important point - it's actually a hell of a car, respected by drivers on all continents.
To be clear, Tesla's the one where the engine caught on fire, yes? Or was it the battery? Or both, at different points?
Now don't get me wrong @Moriarte, that doesn't mean Teslas are badly-engineered. It could be cut corners, profit drive kind of stuff. But at the same time the "good" engineering isn't what Musk is responsible for. And we know thanks to this thread there's an entire effing team that was dedicated to keeping him busy and away from engineers in Tesla.
Now don't get me wrong @Moriarte, that doesn't mean Teslas are badly-engineered. It could be cut corners, profit drive kind of stuff. But at the same time the "good" engineering isn't what Musk is responsible for. And we know thanks to this thread there's an entire effing team that was dedicated to keeping him busy and away from engineers in Tesla.
Narz
keeping it real
Pretty sure he has thought about it while working @ SpaceX
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
That’s not “working” so much as “peacocking,” as anyone who has actually worked at an engineering startup knows. Every now and then you do get a technically engaged boss, but that is obviously not Musk, a guy who spends his entire time dropping inane brain babies and obsessing over the flush fit of door handles. He obviously has no respect for engineering let alone design and the only reason people care about him is their obsequious hero worship of the irresponsible morons whose incompetence is only matched by an ever-thinning pool of qualified and affordable professionals.
Tesla is an expensive failure of the incompetent business majors and landowners who run our society to recapitalize on a post-global warming car market. You can tell it’s a bubble because of how much bigger Tesla’s market cap is than the actual size of the global auto market. For a fraction of the value. There’s “good engineering” and then there’s “as good as it gets engineering,” here in the twilight of a society once ruled by technical experts but is now dominated by their spoiled children surrounded by legions of yes-men.
It goes beyond musk or Tesla or even cars in general. This is a pathology overwhelming the entire west. We are no longer a culture that loves machines. We love “efficiency” and numbers and the purity of the digital world. We love bright colors and flashing lights and impressive concept art. But you really just need to look at the demographics and employment figures, like always, to realize that America’s legacy of technical mastery is actually well behind it. Almost no consumer goods we can make economically to scale. Especially not electronics. Ours are more expensive and trussed up with bespoke “advantages.” Meanwhile western engineers literally can’t pass TSMC “how to build a semiconductor” tests. We’re too expensive for too little value and actually our peaks are lower than ever relatively speaking. The new masters of machines are in Asia, and we are pale imitators who are more interested in the stories we tell than the products we build. Well the stories are the products! That’s the only way you’d walk away somehow thinking Tesla is actually doing something impressive. It is a giant Potemkin operation, just like SpaceX. God SpaceX is even worse the way they’ve tied the fortunes of moon mission #2 to unproven designs nobody is actually responsible for making sure they work. What happens if a SpaceX rocket blows up? The government pays them for another one. What happens if we can’t debut robo taxi in the five years it was supposed to come out? The government lets prototype robo taxis kill people until we can brute force enough data through. How much data is enough? Somehow it’s literally never enough. It’s not only all highly inefficient, but it’s also an obviously incorrect hedge against the future. The correct play was to build light rail. Develop hydrogen fuel cells. Something cheap, sustainable, and maintainable using handheld equipment and flesh and blood. Leverage some of this human capital we got and can’t find a way to use. Instead we are trying to replace everyone’s cars with giant batteries hooked up to black box pilot computers. Complete insanity. What these people are doing is playing with expensive toys on your last dime.
And don’t get me started on Boeing. Musk isn’t the worst guy in the world. But just talking odds, if I had to pick, I’d say Bezos is the strongest overall candidate for Perma-Pharaoh of Earth and Space. At least he’s focused.
sophie
Break My Heart
Build some fudging catenary and trolley buses for christ sake.
Lexicus
Deity
Not really feasible, alas.
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