I actually don't agree with azale on this...and I find it a little stupid that nobody has said what I think really happened, as it's quite obvious to me...Normally I stay out of this sort of trivial political nonsense on here, except I don't really see what happened to this forum as something of that sort. What happened to this forum? We got older. Originally, most of the primary creators were people mostly in the 16-23 year old range. As we graduated high school and college, we became involved with significant others, our own personal projects, money, grad school, jobs, etc. It happens. That's life. It's not a bad thing. I don't think there's any coincidence that the primary people on IoT are a few years younger than the original NES users. You might be able to attribute the lack of interest here to an "elitist attitude" or something, but I think the simpler answer is just random variability. IoT got more users, which meant more users, which stacked. That's that. I think anything else is an after the fact explanation/justification. The two games were never really that different. As for the chat, yes we are a very tight knit group, but I don't think we're any more unwelcoming than any other group of good friends that have known each other for over ten years. As a new person, it really might might be hard to integrate on there, but that's not elitism or anything. It's just a fact of life. People who are close to each other are going to care more about each other. In no way should any of on there apologize for being close to each other. As for the site administration and the fallout. I personally think that's rather irrelevant. It happened and led to a loss of activity in this subforum, but the truth is that was going to happen anyways.