Is this the end of liberalism?

[Kaitzilla]

University degrees do not grow an economy. That is why this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

How exactly are these unemployed engineers suppose to grow the economy?

"University degree" is a stand in for "university educated"....

So how do unemployed engineers grow an economy?

What's causing their unemployment?

The labour market is saturated because we have an excess of engineers.

What is the limitation causing the labor market to be engineer-saturated?

An excess of engineers graduated from university and saturated the labour market. Now we have a bunch of unemployed engineers and wages for engineers has dropped because of the excess supply of graduates.

Interesting thread so far

I need your guys' help understanding something, because the unemployment rate always seems made up questionable to me.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-declines-nearly-10-but-developers-up-12.html

There were 1.235 million people working as software developers last year, and 271,000 electrical engineers, according to unpublished U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

Electrical engineering is a critical occupation that's often described as key to technological innovation. But this occupational category has been shedding workers for years. In 2006, for instance, there were 382,000 people working in this field.

"A nearly 10% decline in jobs from one year to the next, in a field that is supposed to be booming, is troubling," said Russ Harrison, IEEE-USA's government relations director...


...The unemployment rate for electrical engineers was put at 2%, near its historical low, and for software developers at 2.5%.

How does a profession that lost 10% of its jobs last year have an unemployment rate of 2%?

The article mentions things like moving jobs or retiring, but it boggles the mind that such a seismic vanishing of jobs would not spike the unemployment rate.

 

[Funky]

So you're demanding that CFC become a safe space for you?

I wouldn't mind not being personally attacked and misrepresented for making the hardly controversial point that students should actually study instead of wasting their time (and my tax money) by being a nuisance to everyone else.

 

[Akka]

2,5 % as unemployment rate for software developers ?
Damn, this would nearly make me consider moving oversea.

(nearly)

 

[sophie]

I wouldn't mind not being personally attacked and misrepresented for making the hardly controversial point that students should actually study instead of wasting their time (and my tax money) by being a nuisance to everyone else.

So you think people shouldn't have the right to voice their complaints.

 

[Funky]

Sure they have the right. That doesn't mean I don't condemn their behaviour.

 

[sophie]

Sure they have the right. That doesn't mean I don't condemn their behaviour.

What exactly is condemnable about peacefully assembling and executing one's right to free speech?

 

[Funky]

Read what I wrote on the last page...

These guys were hated by everyone, by the students, including most of those on the left, as well as by the professors. And rightly so. I heard recently that one of the groups is still made up by the same people as in the time I was studying, and that was 10 years ago. They must be approaching 40 by now. Students for life.

 

[sophie]

Read what I wrote on the last page...

These guys were hated by everyone, by the students, including most of those on the left, as well as by the professors. And rightly so. I heard recently that one of the groups is still made up by the same people as in the time I was studying, and that was 10 years ago. They must be approaching 40 by now. Students for life.

I did read what you wrote. I'm still struggling to see what the problem is.

 

[Funky]

First, they are pestering professors and other students with their crap and sometimes even prevent them from entering the university buildings.

Second, they hinder political progress in the university by shouting down anyone who suggests any concrete measures rather than going on a tirade about Neonazis and capitalism. They do this so long until the other voices eventually give up.

Third, they clog up the university for those students who really want to study and don't get a place.

Fourth, they live off my tax money, money I have worked hard for.

Fifth, I don't like them. Nobody does. If you knew them, you'd know why.

 

[jackelgull]

Fifth, I don't like them. Nobody does. If you knew them, you'd know why.

This sounds childish. Like, something I would have said when I was six.

"Shut up, nobody likes you"

I suppose having no adult arguments, you were forced to look back thirty years for ones you could use?

 

[Funky]

I feel so much hostility here. Do you all identify with the people I am describing, or what? Have I struck a nerve?

 

[jackelgull]

I feel so much hostility here. Do you all identify with the people I am describing, or what? Have I struck a nerve?

I don't really know these people, and I don't really care. You've just proven an easy target.

Fourth, they live off my tax money, money I have worked hard for.

And these college students aren't living off of your tax money. America doesn't have socialized education, but I suppose you come from the generation so concerned about our entitled youth that you look for entitlement when there is none.

 

[Funky]

I don't really know these people, and I don't really care. You've just proven an easy target.

A target for what exactly? Random flaming?

And these college students aren't living off of your tax money. America doesn't have socialized education, but I suppose you come from the generation so concerned about our entitled youth that you look for entitlement when there is none.

I live in Germany, which you would have known if you had actually followed the conversation. But you already admitted you just wanted to flame, so no surprise there.

Anything else you have on your mind?

 

[jackelgull]

A target for what exactly? Random flaming?


I live in Germany, which you would have known if you had actually followed the conversation. But you already admitted you just wanted to flame, so no surprise there.

Anything else you have on your mind?

I tend to match my quality to the standards the other party has set.


But enough of this. I assume this exchange is derailing the thread from its intended purpose; mocking college kids.

 

[Funky]

I tend to match my quality to the standards the other party has set.

Well, unfortunately you have failed. Try again in a few years.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I suggest they begin listening beginning at 3:15.

Reality: "I personally am tired of hearing that First Amendment rights protect students when they are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and other students here. I think it is important to create that distinction and to create a space where we can all learn from one another and start to create a place of healing rather than a place where we're experiencing lot of hate like we have in the past." ("Um's omitted.)

Civman's so-called quote: "I personally am TIRED of the First Amendment. The 1st Amendment Creates a ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment."

Not only have you failed to precisely present her quote [which putting it within quotations requires], but you failed to accurately reflect the gist of what she's saying. She never says or implies that she is tired of the First Amendment. She does not say the First Amendment is creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment. Rather, she is saying student are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment (the implication being that these students' actions are not protected by the First Amendment].

@civman110: So are you saying that those two quotes
...are the same?
...convey the same message?
...that you did not alter the meaning when you edited it?

 

[civman110]

@civman110: So are you saying that those two quotes
...are the same?
...convey the same message?
...that you did not alter the meaning when you edited it?

The quote I posted was not taken out of context, as everyone can clearly see:

I suggest they begin listening beginning at 3:15.

Reality: "I personally am tired of hearing that First Amendment rights protect students when they are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and other students here. I think it is important to create that distinction and to create a space where we can all learn from one another and start to create a place of healing rather than a place where we're experiencing lot of hate like we have in the past."

Civman's so-called quote: "I personally am TIRED of the First Amendment. The 1st Amendment Creates a ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment."

Unless of course you think that "being tired of the First Amendment" is different from "being tired of First Amendment rights."

But, that wouldn't be very logical.

(the implication being that these students' actions are not protected by the First Amendment].

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But, don't worry that SJW dummy wasn't the only one there who is tired of First Amendment. This Stasi seemed to be pretty "tired" of it as well.


Link to video.

 

[JollyRoger]

I feel so much hostility here. Do you all identify with the people I am describing, or what? Have I struck a nerve?

Shall we make a five point list?

 

[civman110]

I feel so much hostility here. Do you all identify with the people I am describing, or what? Have I struck a nerve?

I heard these can come in handy:

Spoiler :

First, they are pestering professors and other students with their crap and sometimes even prevent them from entering the university buildings.

Second, they hinder political progress in the university by shouting down anyone who suggests any concrete measures rather than going on a tirade about Neonazis and capitalism. They do this so long until the other voices eventually give up.

Third, they clog up the university for those students who really want to study and don't get a place.

Fourth, they live off my tax money, money I have worked hard for.

Fifth, I don't like them. Nobody does. If you knew them, you'd know why.

Now you're just making too much sense.

 

[JohnRM]

Interesting thread so far

I need your guys' help understanding something, because the unemployment rate always seems made up questionable to me.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-declines-nearly-10-but-developers-up-12.html



How does a profession that lost 10% of its jobs last year have an unemployment rate of 2%?

The article mentions things like moving jobs or retiring, but it boggles the mind that such a seismic vanishing of jobs would not spike the unemployment rate.

The jobs lost may include some who have retired and thus do not add to unemployment. Others may have found another job, but not in that particular profession. Engineers, for instance, a frequently recruited for certain corporate officer positions with financial institutions. Finally, the unemployment calculations in this country tend to discount a good number of people who have simply given up on looking for work.

In short, you cannot trust either number.