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Because ISIS is enjoying some major success while being a crypto-fascist fundamentalist islamic organization.

Aren't people supposed to get more liberal, democratic, secular and interested in social justice rather than supporting such a bunch? According to liberal and left-wing theorists.

I'm only guessing that's why.
 
An Algerian extremist group linked to the Islamic State has decapitated a French hostage in retaliation for France’s airstrikes against militants, French President Francois Hollande confirmed Wednesday.:(
 
A side thing - some Islamist groups/individuals across the world are associating with ISIS. In Algeria a French citizen was taken hostage and threatened to be beheaded, in the Philippines 2 German citizens have been taken hostage with similar threats if ransom isn't paid, and other groups internationally are threatening to take western hostages in support of ISIS

Petty criminals and 'terrorist' groups often like to associate themselves with mainstream terrorism because it gets them taken seriously: people might pay a large ransom to 'ISIS-backed terrorists' than they wouldn't to 'some guys from Bradford in balaclavas' - plus the guys from Bradford will feel a lot more intimidating and powerful when people are scared of the name they're throwing around. More sinisterly, the police have a lot of standard protocols for dealing with terrorists, and often the people calling themselves 'terrorists' know this and have a good idea of what they are. Calling yourself a terrorist makes the police more predictable.

Having unrelated groups turn into cells is a pretty standard modus operandi for many Islamic terrorist groups, including Al-Qaida and now ISIS. It is in many ways ingenious in that it is very self-reinforcing. I don't think it'll allow them to conquer Europe, though it gives the ability to do some significant damage.
 
Well, first they have Russia to 'conquer'...

A side thing - some Islamist groups/individuals across the world are associating with ISIS. In Algeria a French citizen was taken hostage and threatened to be beheaded, in the Philippines 2 German citizens have been taken hostage with similar threats if ransom isn't paid, and other groups internationally are threatening to take western hostages in support of ISIS

Kidnapping in the Philippines has been going on for decades. Claiming association with ISIS so far are words. It doesn't imply ISIS has any organization beyond the territory it actually controls.
 
Well, first they have Russia to 'conquer'...



Kidnapping in the Philippines has been going on for decades. Claiming association with ISIS so far are words. It doesn't imply ISIS has any organization beyond the territory it actually controls.

Yea wasn't trying to imply organization with ISIS either. Just thought it was worth pointing out that ISIS as a symbol is spreading in popularity internationally and some of whats being done "in the name of ISIS" atm. Popularity inspires copycats
 
Here we go again. How long before "boots on the ground" this time?

No. Wait. Military advisors. They're already there. "Special" forces get everywhere, anyway.

Just exactly what the jihadists want. It's almost like terrorist states are working hand in glove with other terrorist states.
 
BAGHDAD (AP) — Militants with the Islamic State group tortured and then publicly killed a human rights lawyer in the Iraqi city of Mosul after their self-proclaimed religious court ruled that she had abandoned Islam, the U.N. mission in Iraq said Thursday.

Gunmen with the group's newly declared police force seized Samira Salih al-Nuaimi last week in a northeastern district of the Mosul while she was home with her husband and three children, two people with direct knowledge of the incident told The Associated Press on Thursday. Al-Nuaimi was taken to a secret location. After about five days, the family was called by the morgue to retrieve her corpse, which bore signs of torture, the two people said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of fears for their safety.
 
The FBI Director says they have identified the masked killer in the beheading videos. First step of many
 
So, let's review it all, very briefly.

Invading Iraq and establishing "democracy" didn't work the first time (or was it the second time), right?

Let's do it again, then. That makes perfect sense.
 
So, let's review it all, very briefly.

Invading Iraq and establishing "democracy" didn't work the first time (or was it the second time), right?

Let's do it again, then. That makes perfect sense.
Eh this time its more about slaughtering barbarians than Iraq itself, not to say that "seeding democracy" wont retroactively become the reason
 
When the "barbarians'" express intention is to engage militarily with you, why do it?

There'll be tears. Mark my words.
 
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(The Arabic on the blackboard says "Comic Sans")
 
one must also take note of the Orientalism the Orientals themselves conduct . With an inevitable roundabout . During the heady days when the ISIL and the Peshmerga collaborating to take Musul and Kerkük , polls were taken in Turkey which showed some 75% of the Kurds questioned thought the ISIL was a terrorist organization . Then came the August with the surge up North . Where the peshmerga ran or something . No problem , the seperatists were like thunder and like kicked them out . Right , and we heard the ISIL warriors so spectacular against like the entire World were like kittens when faced by the female seperatists -on the belief that Heaven would be denied them if they were killed by a woman . Really , this was all over the news in Turkey . Sooo , when Ayn Arab was surrounded or something and the female seperatists were no doubt somewhere else those Kurds who thought the ISIL was a terrorist organization went up to 90-95% . They , too , have now learned they are simply meant to be proxies . The narrative now "saved" with some huge mount of imagery of the female UAE F-16 driver who now apparently gets to be called the Lady Liberty ...

the same polls also supposedly suggest only 1% of Turks and Kurds and whatever actually would support ISIL , neverminding the US starting the ops with targeting a radicalized Turkish ex-policeman who had trained up to 400 snipers for the El Kaide . Reports suggest something like 20 Turkish citizens have been killed so far . And some chill among the Turkish commentators on why there is this Horasan unit of the El Kaide , the primary threat to the US , and like last week there was nothing like that . To that end we also hear for the first ever time in history , the Turkish population actually supports combat operations abroad with some 50 or 54% . How nice , how nice ...
 
I also think its silly and unjust to call these terrorist Islamic state; http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/13/term-islamic-state-slur-faith-david-cameron

To quote from the article:

Signatories including Mohammed Abbasi, from the Association of British Muslims, and Amjad Malik QC, president of the Association of Muslim Lawyers, write: "We do not believe the terror group responsible should be given the credence and standing they seek by styling themselves Islamic State. It is neither Islamic, nor is it a state.

The group has no standing with faithful Muslims. (...)

So we believe the media, civic society and governments should refuse to legitimise these ludicrous caliphate fantasies by accepting or propagating this name. We propose that 'UnIslamic State' (UIS) could be an accurate and fair alternative name to describe this group and its agenda – and we will begin to call it that."



These kinds of statements are found not only among members of the Association of British Muslims, but among moderate Muslims throughout Europe and America. The general message is that extremist Muslims have perverted the Islamic faith and hijacked it for their purposes. Their endeavor, so it's said, has nothing to do with true Islam, which is a religion of peace.

It may be worth reflecting on this stance for a moment.

To those familiar with the Koran, it should be rather obvious that the IS, as well as other extremist Islamic groups, are not in the business of re-interpreting and distorting the core dogmas of their belief. Quite the contrary. It is hard to find any aspects of their policy which cannot be directly linked to the Koran or the Hadith. The central message of these holy texts for example, as witnessed by literally hundreds of verses, is to kill, convert, or at best enslave, the infidel.
The IS is driven by true believers. They truly believe in the letter of the scripture. Everything we see the IS doing is spelled out in the Koran and the Hadith. These people are not psychopaths. They are normal people who believe startlingly crazy things in the context of their faith. We have to figure out how to undercut these beliefs in martyrdom and jihad, and that apostasy and blasphemy are offenses deserving of capital punishment.

Happily, a majority of Muslims no longer take their core dogmas all too seriously. That is a good thing. Yet often they seem rather reluctant to identify the source of their moderation. The reason most Western Muslims don't take large parts of their scriptures literally anymore, lies in secular progress and in their religion losing the argument on a hundred front against modernity. We can hope that Islam will follow the path of the Jewish and Christian religions, whose holy books are just as bad, if not worse, than those of Islam, which have been beaten and battered by secular moral progress to the point that they, in most countries, have had to retreat into the realm of personal privacy. Ultimately this path will lead to where the thousands of other religions throughout the history of our species are buried, the mass grave we call mythology.

Unfortunately it is still a long way to go for Islam. The only way to achieve the goal is to empower moderate Muslims and help them transform Islam into a religion that is compatible with the values of secularism and reason. Islam could perhaps become a religion of peace. The concept of jihad could perhaps be viewed as an inner spiritual struggle against one's own ego. But as long as moderate Muslims deny that there is any link between their faith and groups like the IS, it is hard to see how we should ever make progress.
Even more disturbing is the fact that this denial is underlined by liberals throughout the West, who echo in on saying that Islam itself is not a problem. Obama himself claimed recently that the IS was not Islamic and that it spoke for no religion. Ironically, the only people who rigorously state the obvious in public are currently either our own crack-pot religious extremists or adherents to nationalistic and diversive points of view, who do not exactly make the best allies.
Our political correctness, it seems, has run amok. We must overcome this state of affairs and be able to call a spade a spade. And we don't have forever time for it. It may be a matter of a few years, or at best a decade or two, until extreme Islamic groups get their hands on nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction. We must face our problems directly and relentlessly to avoid what could evolve into truly catastrophic outcomes.
 
Speaking of popularity sparking copycats...

A man (Alexander Nolen) in Oklahoma beheaded a coworker and tried to behead another after being fired from work. Supposedly he had recently converted to Islam and been trying to convert other fellow coworkers to Islam before he was fired. This story has nothing to do with ISIS of course, but I wonder if this man was influenced by the media coverage of recent beheadings.
 
Charles M. Blow on the cost of war

We can kill anti-American fighters and even their leaders, but we can’t kill anti-American sentiment. To some degree, every time we commit our forces in the Middle East we run the risk of further inflaming that sentiment.
For every action, there is a reaction. And there are also consequences, some of them unintended.

The president said that his plan “will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil.” But this seems a hard thing to completely guarantee. It seems reasonable to worry that it could lead to at least some American boots on the ground and some American blood soaked into it.

The president did, however, say:
“We will send an additional 475 service members to Iraq. As I have said before, these American forces will not have a combat mission — we will not get dragged into another ground war in Iraq.”
But missions creep, wars get foggy and the very definition of victory can become elusive.

And need I remind you, we’ve been here before, worked up into a patriotic tizzy, fears stoked and muscles flexed. Although nothing may soon rival the staggering deception and disaster of the Iraq war, it still stands as our most recent and most instructive lesson about committing to armed conflict. George Bush and Dick Cheney are in a category of their own.

When we invaded Iraq in 2003, about three out of four Americans approved of President Bush’s handling of the situation,according to a USA Today/Gallup poll. Three years later, that approval had fallen by half.

We don’t want to look back three years from now and ask, “What have we done?”

AnABC News poll in early March of 2003found that most Americans believed the Iraq war would last several months at most — it officially lasted nearly nine years — and nearly eight in 10 thought Iraq posed a direct threat to the United States at the time.

And the cost of that war, particularly in death toll, was staggering.

According to the website Iraqbodycount.org, more than 4,800 members of United States and coalition forces were killed between 2003 and 2013, as well as 468 contractors.

AnNBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted the month we invaded found that nearly seven in 10 Americans thought the final result of the Iraq war would be that we would “win,” whatever that meant. Most Americans also thought that we should do everything we could to minimize Iraqi civilian casualties.

And while it is not clear how many civilian deaths resulted solely from United States military action in that country, Iraqbodycount.org puts the total number of Iraqi civilian deaths “from violence” since 2003 as high as 144,000.

Furthermore,a March 2013 study
estimated that the financial cost of the Iraq war could be more than $2 trillion.
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Read on... An obvious argument against military involvement.
 
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