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I'm not sure where that rant came from (not from anything I posted), but I don't support any intervention in Syria.

The League of Nations "plague on both your houses" thing did not work in Spain, 1936 to 1939; it doesn't work in Syria, 2015. As the Nazis and Fascist Italy supported the "moderate" Spanish rebels, so the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia support the "moderate" Syrian rebels. In both cases a legitimately elected government.

Russia was invited in by the Assad government. Russia believes even an Assad government is better than no government in Syria.

IS is a US creation, everyone agrees, right?

So, while I do not believe Russia is acting in the same benevolent interests in Syria as the USSR did in Afghanistan, I do believe that Russia is sincere in wanting to keep stability in Central and West Asia, because it is in their national interests.

The US' track record, as innonimatu had pointed out, is in sowing instability.
 
Never understood the penchant for immediately supporting dictators as long as it isn't the US that's doing it.

I mean, as long as it's non-white people that are being oppressed by "stability" then its fine right?
 
It's not that simple. Qaddafi was bad, but was also a US client in the War on Terro, btw. Saddam Hussein was also a CIA client. Samoza in Nicaragua, Noriega, Rios Mont... The list goes on.

Assad as a "dictator" is questionable, also, as most "experts" (for lack of a better term) say Assad does not have as much power as he did in 2011. In 2011 he invited all of the opposition into the government and only the gun-toting nutjobs funded by the US did not take him up on the offer.

However, Assad's is a government that can be treated with. WTH is the alternative?
 
It's not that simple. Qaddafi was bad, but was also a US client in the War on Terro, btw. Saddam Hussein was also a CIA client. Samoza in Nicaragua, Noriega, Rios Mont... The list goes on.

Assad as a "dictator" is questionable, also, as most "experts" (for lack of a better term) say Assad does not have as much power as he did in 2011. In 2011 he invited all of the opposition into the government and only the gun-toting nutjobs funded by the US did not take him up on the offer.

However, Assad's is a government that can be treated with. WTH is the alternative?

This is my guess: The US would rather deal with the middle east city-by-city. Fracturization is the goal. So is studying urban guerilla warfare so that The Leviathan may be impervious to 2nd amendment remedies.
 
At some a lot of major autocrats were US clients, it was our Cold War policy. Soviets did the same thing, both states participated in an international arena devoid of idealistic spreading (bringing democratic or communist revolutions to countries) and instead operated on strongmen who chose sides. Whoever amassed the most autocrats had the most influence, because it's a lot easier to control one guy who controls an entire state than it is to let people actually have their own democracies or communist societies. They could vote not to support you!

Assad is a dictator or an autocrat. There's really no questioning that. Why else would Russia and friends be crying that Assad is a stabilizing influence? "Stabilizing" is really just a pleasantry for saying he's got a militarized state that can beat the Syrian people into political timidness. He has his own cabal of generals and oligarchic rich people he's beholden to (he's no Saddam) but he's not beholden to the people of Syria. He does not answer to them, and therefore their only option for political voice is through violence. Violence is major underpinning of many revolutionary ideologies for a reason, no?

To be invited by Assad into government doesn't mean anything, so it makes sense that they would oppose it. Assad is still the strong actor with a monopoly on violence. They cannot oppose him as long as he holds onto that monopoly, and therefore the only avenue for opposition lies in violent revolution and diminishing of his power. Only then would they be able to treaty as equals.

Assad's government therefore can be treated with only by other international actors. He will listen to Russia, or the US, he will sign treaties that do this and that because he has recognized power and so do we. However, the international arena is not the same as the domestic one. In the domestic relationship under Assad's regime, he has all the power and the people have none. Their voices are not heard in governance, as Assad is beholden to a separate class of the rich and power in Syria. He governs for them, and the people have to suffer through it. In this case, denied any semblance of power or ability to bargain with state in strength, the Syrian are forced into episodes of sustained spectacular violence to voice their opposition and create any real reform.

There are plenty of alternatives to simply supporting autocrats who oppress brown people. In this case, we can support the opposition, and hope that Assad's military capabilities diminish to the point in which he is open to a national dialogue where he does not treaty from a position of absolute authority. It is hoped that this will lead to a government which is responsive to the people, and governs on their behalf and not the military rich.

Another alternative is IS. The only state that I can think of that has completely liberated itself from remnants of European imposed borders and the nationalities derived there of. It represents a certain angst and hatred of white imperialism, but does so through their own imposition of complete state dominance and mass repression. It is also not beholden to those who live within it, only to its own armed forces. It represents an alternative that is just as bad as Assad's "stability." The Syrian people continued to be oppressed, while we get to sit back and enjoy ourselves, just this time we're not buddy-buddy with the autocrat in charge.

I don't have a solution though. I don't support a continued policy of support the dictator because he's nice. That doesn't work and only promotes continued repression of the working classes and ordinary people. I don't support IS because it is just more of the same, with an anti-imperial twist. Assad's opposition offers a good chance to diminish his authority enough to force him to negotiate in more equal terms, but arming them has not done much and we cannot simply just intervene. We would win, but it doesn't have a good track record.

The best I can say is that this is a Syrian act of self-determination, and it is not up to us pasty-white people to interfere (including you Russia). However, there is a good outcome and a bad outcome, and I'd hate to see the Syrians waste so much blood only to see continue repression and autocracy afterwards. It'd damper revolutionary spirit and be another win for the rich and powerful.
 
It's quite simple: do what you say, say what you do. If you are fighting a "war on terror," then don't give money and arms to terrorists. Treating with a sovereign government does not give you the right to overthrow that government. Saying the USSR supported autocrats like the US is a gross simplification of history. The USSR did not invest in finance capital, or export capital for the purpose of extracting surplus value. Upon the collapse of the USSR, there were no Soviet enterprises in foreign nations bleeding surplus value into the hands of a few oligarchs. THAT happened in Russia after the split, NOT under socialism.

However, that said, the US insisting on supporting the crazy-ass nutjobs who are actually using chemical weapons against the citizens in an attempt to overthrow a sovereign state is not what the principles of the UN were based on. Russia has consistently stood on the high ground, and was proven correct in every instance. Yes, they are looking out for their best interests, but NOT at the expense of the rest of the world. Putin;s speech at the UN during the 70th General Assembly debates laid out that Russia would, and other should, stand on the principle of not interfering with the internal affairs of sovereign states.

Intervention in Syria, at the Syrian government's request, was carefully considered on the part of the Russians, because the United States was in word and deed interfering with the internal affairs of Syria, as they did in Iraq, Libya and Ukraine. The Russians, in true fashion, went after the Chechen terrorists first, who were a direct threat to Russian national security.

There is place in this scenario where the US has been correct. None. The Russians have yet to be wrong. That takes a lot for me to say, because while I personally like Putin, Russia is NOT a socialist nation, and I am under no obligation to support it. I just happen to think that they are correct.
 
The Assad regime has comprehensively proved itself to be a nasty piece of work, imo, however you cut it.

There are no right sides to support in this conflict (as if there ever are in any violent conflict). And I don't believe Putin is supporting Assad because he believes this Syrian ruthlessly oppressive regime is in the right.
 
There are no right sides to support in this conflict (as if there ever are in any violent conflict).

There are least wrong sides to support.
 
It's quite simple: do what you say, say what you do. If you are fighting a "war on terror," then don't give money and arms to terrorists. Treating with a sovereign government does not give you the right to overthrow that government. Saying the USSR supported autocrats like the US is a gross simplification of history. The USSR did not invest in finance capital, or export capital for the purpose of extracting surplus value. Upon the collapse of the USSR, there were no Soviet enterprises in foreign nations bleeding surplus value into the hands of a few oligarchs. THAT happened in Russia after the split, NOT under socialism.

You're a confusing man, at once spouting the merits of revolution and yet defending massed state institutions run by the rich and powerful against national self determination. Communist in name only I think.

You don't even have to look beyond the USSR's border to see that it supported and autocratic state run by a small cabal of powerful white-Europeans. If the Soviets were true to their cause of workers freedom and anti-imperialism, why did they not break up the empire? Why does Moscow control Siberia, central Asia, the caucuses, etc. Why are white-Europeans governing non-white non-Russians across a vast expanse of land?

I'll tell you why. Rhetoric means nothing and Soviet rhetoric against imperialism stopped at their own border. I'd believe them if they dismantled the empire, but they didn't. They held onto the territory stolen from Siberians, colonized by Russians. They still held onto territory stolen from Kazakhs, Turkmen, Chechens, Manchurians, and even Koreans. Millions of people forced into a system of European oppression, ruled by white imperialists and the USSR didn't even blink. Hell, they expanded into Poland and Finland. The USSR, just like America, was an imperialist state. Ruling an empire of millions in the name of greater ideology, which was really nothing other than white-man's burden re-purposed. Stupid brown people, stupid Asian people, stupid Muslims, and mountain clans, they can't govern themselves. They need superior white Russians to liberate them through solidarity and socialism.

It's not so much what actually happened that's disgusting, but the lack of acknowledge pisses me off. The assumption that these borders existed and therefore are sacred, that they themselves do not tell a tale of suffering and hardship, of stolen land and repression, does not sit well at all. We in America are only slowly coming to terms with the impact our expansion had on native Americans, African Americans, and other people whose land has been stolen, and we are far from completely fixing it. But goddamn, at least we acknowledge the destruction caused in the 19th and 20th century, and are looking to hopefully make some right to the immense suffering we forced on people.

And I won't even begin on the imperialistic adventures you deny, such as the project in Afghanistan. The USSR did not extract resources through private corporations, they just did it through public corporations. I fail to see the difference. In each case white-Europeans, rich and powerful, steal from the weak and the oppressed just so they can fight their global war for workers liberation. Hypocritical and disgusting.

However, that said, the US insisting on supporting the crazy-ass nutjobs who are actually using chemical weapons against the citizens in an attempt to overthrow a sovereign state is not what the principles of the UN were based on. Russia has consistently stood on the high ground, and was proven correct in every instance. Yes, they are looking out for their best interests, but NOT at the expense of the rest of the world. Putin;s speech at the UN during the 70th General Assembly debates laid out that Russia would, and other should, stand on the principle of not interfering with the internal affairs of sovereign states.

Why are you defending the sovereignty of states? Aren't you a communist? What happened to revolution? Or did communism fail, and its supporters grumpily going back to supporting state violence against workers? I'm genuinely why a communist would defend violent and unequal institutions like the state.

Hell, why are you defending the UN? An institution designed with inequality in mind! It's job was to preserve the power of the top dogs, the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain, China, France, against an entire world. They are the only ones who have true power through veto, it is inherently undemocratic, un-socialist, and yet you support it's principles? Who are you?

Russia's "high ground" is just what the US did during the Cold War. Russia will unashamedly support dictators, autocrats, those suppress freedoms, jail, maim, exploit the workers, just because they tow a familiar line. You support widespread oppression and the exploitation of the working class because the white people in charge have Slavic names instead of English ones.

It is even stranger to see that you yourself have dismembered Putin rhetoric in your own paragraph. If he is against interfering with the internal affairs of sovereign states, why is he helping in Syria? Why is he quashing Syrian self-determination, who is he to decide that it is in Syrians best interest to be ruled by a brutal Shah?

Don't you think that should be up to the Syrians to decide for themselves?

You don't though. You think its the white man's burden to decide for them, a relic of the imperialist age.

Putin is a ruthless realist, and so are you. He says one thing, does another. His game is power based, his goal to amass as much power as he can before Russia ceases to be a relevant world actor. Once the white-man is no longer exalted as the best man, Russia too will be left to be nothing more than an imperialist relic, an old land power, centuries out of date and obsolete. To think Putin has anything else at interest other than uplifting Russia and doing only what is in the interest of his state and the Russia people (to an extent) is naive.

Intervention in Syria, at the Syrian government's request, was carefully considered on the part of the Russians, because the United States was in word and deed interfering with the internal affairs of Syria, as they did in Iraq, Libya and Ukraine. The Russians, in true fashion, went after the Chechen terrorists first, who were a direct threat to Russian national security.

I already made my point above but I will just say it again. You support Russian state imperialism and violence against Chechen self-determination. In the white man's world, Chechens are nothing but brown mountain people to be crushed under the imperialist's heel. Shame on you.

There is place in this scenario where the US has been correct. None. The Russians have yet to be wrong. That takes a lot for me to say, because while I personally like Putin, Russia is NOT a socialist nation, and I am under no obligation to support it. I just happen to think that they are correct.

You happen to think they are correct because they do not belong to the English world. That's it, and that's where your support derives from. You would curse US propping up of Pinochet, yet praise Russian propping up of Assad. In both cases dictators, autocrats, supported in the name of stability and because they can promise easy support on the world stage.

You just so happen to have chosen the side that supports conservative authoritarianism in the name of stability. You, like Russia, are frightened of change, of a new world where people are not so easily beaten into submission. Because that is ultimately a threat to the massed and violent state institutions they have built up.

If you were true to your principles, you'd be crying for Syrian revolution, the overthrow of the conservative order, the chaos of revolution. Stability means oppression, only in instability can freedom and rights be achieved.

But you're not. You're just a conservative, an imperialist, holding up white man's burden in a world which increasingly rejects inequality between cultures.

I'd admire you more if you weren't such a hypocrite.
 
Joe said:
You don't even have to look beyond the USSR's border to see that it supported and autocratic state run by a small cabal of powerful white-Europeans. If the Soviets were true to their cause of workers freedom and anti-imperialism, why did they not break up the empire? Why does Moscow control Siberia, central Asia, the caucuses, etc. Why are white-Europeans governing non-white non-Russians across a vast expanse of land?
I know you are being a bit facetious here, but Sovnarkom did break up the Russian Empire into the alphabet soup of SSRs. (Indeed, the RSFSR was the only SSR not to have its own legislature; sort of like the situation England is in with regards to Parliament and the UK.) The redrawing of the borders and subsequent actions may have occasionally reeked of imperial arrogance and Great Russian chauvinism but the Empire was broken up.

It is even stranger to see that you yourself have dismembered Putin rhetoric in your own paragraph. If he is against interfering with the internal affairs of sovereign states, why is he helping in Syria? Why is he quashing Syrian self-determination, who is he to decide that it is in Syrians best interest to be ruled by a brutal Shah?
Wrong county mate. :p
 
You're a confusing man, at once spouting the merits of revolution and yet defending massed state institutions run by the rich and powerful against national self determination. Communist in name only I think.

National liberation is the business of the liberators. If you think for one minute that ANYONE currently pointing a gun att the Assad regime has ANY legitimacy as a group looking for "national self-determination," I have yet to see the evidence. Anywhere. As I already said, Assad acquiesced to the demands of the opposition and brought them, as promised, into the government process. The ones who did not accept his offer are effing nutjobs, everyone. Communists do not support faux rebels fighting with imperialist money on behalf of imperialist aims.

You don't even have to look beyond the USSR's border to see that it supported and autocratic state run by a small cabal of powerful white-Europeans. If the Soviets were true to their cause of workers freedom and anti-imperialism, why did they not break up the empire? Why does Moscow control Siberia, central Asia, the caucuses, etc. Why are white-Europeans governing non-white non-Russians across a vast expanse of land?

I'll tell you why. Rhetoric means nothing and Soviet rhetoric against imperialism stopped at their own border. I'd believe them if they dismantled the empire, but they didn't. They held onto the territory stolen from Siberians, colonized by Russians. They still held onto territory stolen from Kazakhs, Turkmen, Chechens, Manchurians, and even Koreans. Millions of people forced into a system of European oppression, ruled by white imperialists and the USSR didn't even blink. Hell, they expanded into Poland and Finland. The USSR, just like America, was an imperialist state. Ruling an empire of millions in the name of greater ideology, which was really nothing other than white-man's burden re-purposed. Stupid brown people, stupid Asian people, stupid Muslims, and mountain clans, they can't govern themselves. They need superior white Russians to liberate them through solidarity and socialism.

It's not so much what actually happened that's disgusting, but the lack of acknowledge pisses me off. The assumption that these borders existed and therefore are sacred, that they themselves do not tell a tale of suffering and hardship, of stolen land and repression, does not sit well at all. We in America are only slowly coming to terms with the impact our expansion had on native Americans, African Americans, and other people whose land has been stolen, and we are far from completely fixing it. But goddamn, at least we acknowledge the destruction caused in the 19th and 20th century, and are looking to hopefully make some right to the immense suffering we forced on people.

And I won't even begin on the imperialistic adventures you deny, such as the project in Afghanistan. The USSR did not extract resources through private corporations, they just did it through public corporations. I fail to see the difference. In each case white-Europeans, rich and powerful, steal from the weak and the oppressed just so they can fight their global war for workers liberation. Hypocritical and disgusting.

The above is a line of reasoning about the USSR that was officially debunked in 1973, and the Sovietologists who spouted that line of BS are, in the main, doing more apologies for US imperialism, and lying their asses off to justify their tenure and to sell books. Stephen Cohen is a classic anti-communist sovietologist has actually come out away from that pack of losers, and I implore you to read some of his work. He is the most well-spoken and well-researched scholar on this subject. He has analyzed the situation and has acknowledged that Putin and Russia have been correct. The US has been destroying regimes left and right and sowing chaos. Iraq and Libya were not toppled by national liberation movements. They were toppled by the US bombing the crap out of the government there (and in the case of Iraq, invading) and then letting the crazy-ass nutjobs with guns run amok in the nation.

Read Amilcar Cabral's "National Liberation and Social Structure," Vo Nguyen Giap's "The General Insurrection of August 1945," and Che's "Guerrilla Warfare: A Method." That is the kind of National Liberation struggle that deserves support. This BS about "USSR and the US did the same thing" is utter crap. If you believe it, then God bless you. However, I believe that your college money was wasted.


Why are you defending the sovereignty of states? Aren't you a communist? What happened to revolution? Or did communism fail, and its supporters grumpily going back to supporting state violence against workers? I'm genuinely why a communist would defend violent and unequal institutions like the state.

Hell, why are you defending the UN? An institution designed with inequality in mind! It's job was to preserve the power of the top dogs, the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain, China, France, against an entire world. They are the only ones who have true power through veto, it is inherently undemocratic, un-socialist, and yet you support it's principles? Who are you?
1. I defend the sovereignty of states because NATIONS are a material thing. Socialism isfirst and foremost fought for and built nationally, with national characteristics. What you are supporting is, essentially, the US can arm and fund whoever it wants and remove anyone from power it wants and THAT is OKAY. Well, it ain't okay if you are one of tens of millions of refugees created by the US bombing, invasion, and proxy wars.

2. I did not say I supported UN principles. However, as written, they are revolutionary and, if followed to the letter, would actually result in some VERY sweeping changes. Our UN NGO attended all of the debates and we got to watch some of the more salient ones: they all in common were defending the principles (I don't expect you to understand this, just to read this, as I cannot cite the entire UN charter in this post) that the member nations agreed to, and a dozen or more nations (China, Ecuador, Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Vietnam and Russia, among them) all pretty much said that the two nations consistently breaking those principles is the United States and Israel.

We were also party to the conference on the Sustainable Development Goals and all of our newspapers will be printing the 17 goals in each issue 2030. The UN is becoming more democratic via the claque of underdeveloped and developing nations, with Chinese and Russian muscle behind them, standing up and being counted. I know, that per the Conditions for Admission into the Communist INternational that no "courts of arbitration, no 'democratic' reorganization of the League of Nations" will save us from Imperialist wars of aggression. Only the revolutionary overthrowal of the bourgeoisie. However, by exposing the lies and BS of the imperialist nations (Israel, Israel, The United States, Israel and the EU nations, along with Israel) do you build the strategy of the United Front.

In the process of this fight, you win over allies, from above and from below, and gain hegemony. The US and Israel seek dominance and tha is where they will fail.


Russia's "high ground" is just what the US did during the Cold War. Russia will unashamedly support dictators, autocrats, those suppress freedoms, jail, maim, exploit the workers, just because they tow a familiar line. You support widespread oppression and the exploitation of the working class because the white people in charge have Slavic names instead of English ones.
This is patently untrue. Prove it.

It is even stranger to see that you yourself have dismembered Putin rhetoric in your own paragraph. If he is against interfering with the internal affairs of sovereign states, why is he helping in Syria? Why is he quashing Syrian self-determination, who is he to decide that it is in Syrians best interest to be ruled by a brutal Shah?
RUSSIA is honoring agreements is made with Syria before the terrorists started efing the country up. That's what these "rebels" are: chemical-spewing, child-murdering terrorists. The US spent $500 million training 72 of these guys who then broke, ran and handed their guns over to IS. Great strategy, US.

Russia was invited. The US was not. Russia is holding up the US "War on Terror" as the fraud that it is, and saying "You want a war on terror, this is how you do it, a-holes."


Don't you think that should be up to the Syrians to decide for themselves?
Precisely my point.

[You don't though. You think its the white man's burden to decide for them, a relic of the imperialist age.
Assumption. You are projecting. I never said anything about color.
Putin is a ruthless realist, and so are you. He says one thing, does another. His game is power based, his goal to amass as much power as he can before Russia ceases to be a relevant world actor. Once the white-man is no longer exalted as the best man, Russia too will be left to be nothing more than an imperialist relic, an old land power, centuries out of date and obsolete. To think Putin has anything else at interest other than uplifting Russia and doing only what is in the interest of his state and the Russia people (to an extent) is naive.
The problem is that liberals see this as a "Game", versus lives and futures at stake. Putin has said and done what he said he would. Find one instance where he has not. Russia has called out the US on its BS and the US is cranking up its propaganda machine and you are buying it.

Chechens are nothing but brown mountain people to be crushed under the imperialist's heel. Shame on you.
:lol:

You happen to think they are correct because they do not belong to the English world. That's it, and that's where your support derives from. You would curse US propping up of Pinochet, yet praise Russian propping up of Assad. In both cases dictators, autocrats, supported in the name of stability and because they can promise easy support on the world stage.

You just so happen to have chosen the side that supports conservative authoritarianism in the name of stability. You, like Russia, are frightened of change, of a new world where people are not so easily beaten into submission. Because that is ultimately a threat to the massed and violent state institutions they have built up.

If you were true to your principles, you'd be crying for Syrian revolution, the overthrow of the conservative order, the chaos of revolution. Stability means oppression, only in instability can freedom and rights be achieved.

But you're not. You're just a conservative, an imperialist, holding up white man's burden in a world which increasingly rejects inequality between cultures.

I'd admire you more if you weren't such a hypocrite.
This is flaming. I am ignoring it. I don't know why you chose the fact-less, emotional route, but the fact are what they, see what happens in six months. Russia will again be proven correct, and those freedom-hating "rebels" will be dissolved.

BTW, Russia and US signed an MOU and will stay out of each other's way.

The PKK, who I materially and politically support, has been the real on-the-ground forces fighting ISIS, housing refugees and recuing people. Funny you didn't mention them in your speech about "national self-determination." They are Marxist-Leninist and they kick ass.
 
Can I remind our dear posters this is supposed to be a RD thread?

and can ı remind you that the guy who sits as the Prime Minister of Turkey did really say the 360 degree thing in a bid to remind that there will be a scorched earth policy if the elections do not go a certain way ?
 
BAGHDAD — An American soldier was killed on Thursday morning as American and Kurdish commandos raided an Islamic State outpost near the northern Iraqi town of Hawija, freeing prisoners there and capturing some of the militants themselves, Iraqi and American officials said. The commando became the first American soldier killed in action in Iraq since the withdrawal in 2011.

American military officials declined to comment on the details of the classified operation, some of which remained unclear. But as described by Iraqi officials in the area, the mission appeared to be a significant joint strike against the Islamic State at a time when Iraqi and American officials are trying to mount a wider counteroffensive against the militants.
 
^Do actual non-kurdish, Iraq troops do anything on their own?

Btw, what territory does Iraq currently control?

I have seen many different maps, some depicting swaths of territory and some marked by continuous colors:

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the maps have the issue of deserts , the control of ISIL is limited -generally- to the road network that lies between cities and villages ; the presence of all those Western Special Forces then makes it problematical to use the desert to jump all those European expats while they are on R&R with their sex slaves .

usual r16 stuff follows :


the so called national intelligence service washes its hands off the PM . All the journos in Turkey will laugh at this statement with their "backsides" ; now the guy in question (under investigation to see whether he really arranged for the beating up of a so called opposition journalist) would remind that the Kabataş incident was fake only because his higher ups have not protected him well enough . This Kabataş incident is the case of an headscarved woman attacked in Istanbul in 2013 , during the height of Gezi events / Taksim riots . If you believe the smarties or anything the New Turkey says . According to this , the daughter in law of a Party official , was attacked by a gang of 50 to 70 men , in broad daylight , in the middle of Istanbul ... With the men naked above the waist , leather gloves and pants in all . Attacking a woman , an headscarved woman with her baby , beating her , throwing her baby in the air /on the ground and urinating on the woman and the baby as they passed out . And police failing to catch any of those 50 to 70 men by the nightfall and failing drive a police baton up 50 to 70 rectums throughout the next day until the next nightfall ; now that this is Turkey and we do have a bad reputation in police behaviour with a movie classic named Midnight Express and stuff about it . And only because the evil Congregation deleted security camera feeds , you don't know what happens between the time the headscarved woman and her baby enters a bus station and fully 90 seconds later her husband comes and all three of them move away , peacefully as if nothing had happened .

the thing about this is that we Turks , as the evil hateable White ones , or as real ones with unshakeable trust in the Party , are not the intented audience of it . It's the Syrian refugees , the sunnier Sunni brothers , who would feel a connection to that . With what the Şebbiha , the Alawite Militia in Syria , was or was not doing for real at that moment . Such attacks on honour were part and parcel of the rape campaign that was conducted under Saudi auspieces . You see , the all conquering Police and all the instruments of 1984 the Turkey goes through was not capable of scaring the White variety of Turks , which discovered the said all conquering Police and the instruments of 1984 were simply hollow and rotten inside . So why this reputed member of the so called national intelligence (which is merely the Party Intelligence) talked against the Kabataş incident and that in 2013 ? America had not decided what to do ; Damascus was holding , Russians were coming , the Barzani bunch hesitated to adopt the seperatists fully . Not the time for Civil War in Turkey , hence all the remarkable hesitance of the chief of goverment generals ended as soon as there was a green light from Washington . It took only two or three days for demonstrations to end after Jandarma was deployed ; the demonstrations had already turned into an Alevi only suffering anyhow .

as America bred ISIL and the Congregation came to the conclusion that they were idiots and fools for not pushing fully , only because the 1984 in Turkey was their magnificient creation and they actually despised all those people who took to the streets , the so called national intelligence decided to be with the PM . Congregation came up with tapes , allegedly proving criminal activities of leading lights of the Party . Yours idiotly avoided listening to them online and stuff with zeal -now that webcafes really charge you by the minutes and the hour and ı surely had better stuff to do ... Though there was no avoiding what the Party would do as part of their answer to the charges ; my mother really gets irritated if ı spend my whole time with the laptop . Evenings are for TV and ı appeared like twice in a TV series . First my name on a tombstone , second my surname in a bunch of files stamped secret . You know as the real identity of a psychopath ... All masterminded by the father of the Voice of the Counter-revolution , with now deceased Mahir Kaynak creating the likes of Chief Baddie and stuff , all servants of the Zionists yet unable to suffer the traitorous Congregation anymore ... Old school Americans' jaws would drop at the audacity displayed on screen , with Chief Baddie devastating some NATO base in Turkey with 1500 people inside with a technical with 3 or maybe 4 guys on board . ı gather all the old school Americans are also retired ; let's say the guy ı ought to call Dave might have really picked up the phone to question whether Mahir Kaynak really knew where Camp Bastion was / is . Neverminding supporting Jihadists all over the world is supposed to be the thing why the Counter-revolution took place in Turkey . But then the glory of 1984 is one should believe in what one just faked moments ago .There is a reason why those people from the Hülya Koçyigit and just a few are not traitors committee would be in my city , placed like strategically as ı walked home . Just like kids would be taken to zoos in field trips .

though the glory was not enough for all to share . It was blatantly obvious the real hero of the show was a combination of the head of the Party Intelligence , PM's replacement and Santa Turgut (or Özal , for those who are like unfamiliar with Turkey under 1984) . As such the fight against the Congregation also includes a full lenght movie . With the PM in sight , instead of vague references to the "Beyefendi" as in the TV series . Me ? Yours idiotly is the traitorous Police chief who schemes and plots against innocents . To be honest , merely my name is used . ı should guess while rare , my name should be common enough to be encountered at least once in all 81 provinces of the country .

and uh , everybody should have his movie ... That's why the spritiual leader of the Congregation has his own . A full blown Hollywood thing , too , to explain why he refused to come home after Muslims took the helm after 2002 . Now that none of CFC members will bother to watch it , it has that Black guy from Lethal Weapon series , the sidekick of Mel . As the good American who supports Muslims , not only because he is a Muslim himself . The US policeguy who hunts the spiritual leader of Congregation unjustly is played by none other than the guy who hunted Linda Hamilton in Terminator II and didn't it take a full Ahnold to stop him ? You are rightly chilled at every moment the camera closes up on him every moment the guy deploys the entire might of the United States at this innocent Muslim . Alas the true risk is some Turkish policeguy of Kurdish extraction who blames the spiritual leader enough to shoot and kill him at the end . Based on actual emnity with the so called Nurcu movement and the spiritual leader of Congregation where he used full support of the State before 1980s to tame Islam or something by stealing the Nurcu flock . Though to the reference to actual events of 2015 must be the actress who played the wive of the embattled leader . Gina Gershon would be known in Turkey only by one movie , the one she co-starred with Elizabeth Berkley showing you know what on the silver screen . That could not be unknown at the time when the casting choices were being made by the Congregation ... Should be the reason why when charged (with tapes of how reportedly his son was having mighty troubles of hiding cash that supposedly was worth a billion dollars and the Party Police was ordered to shoot anyone that might attempt to arrest the son still with cash) the PM's counterattack included a line on how the spiritual leader of Congregation was looking at "women" ...

why ? Some good came out that too . You no longer hear municipality workers sitting in a goverment issue dump truck playing audiotapes of the spiritual leader of the Congregation in your street so that infidels like you can come to their senses to learn who's the boss ... And not just because they would be arrested right away .
 
ı guess ... There has been a recent interview on an opposition newspaper suggesting the Muslims of the Turkey of 2015 have now 3 conditions of Islam . Compared to former 5 constituting Belief that there's but One God and Muhammet is His Prophet , praying 5 times a day , giving 2.5% of your net income away as alms every year if you have a net income , fasting if you can , and visiting Kabe if you have the money and physical capability and that only once in a lifetime ... The new are reported to be Power to be acquired and held by all means possible , Money which is like obvious and Sex . The last is seriously ambigious at the time and can not be limited to the spiritual leader and video cassettes rated 18+ . Let's see , the interviewed happens to be an A-K-P founder or something and he wows to pick up the PM or the Little Imperialist if they stumble and fall . There's indeed talk of a fifth party , to be broken out of A-K-P ranks , when the elections go topsy turvy and no clear cut majority can be gained . ı have heard only one poll with MP numbers . It gives A-K-P 266 , 77 each to seperatists and almost racists and the rest to Main Opposition . For that almost 200 soldiers and police have been killed ; 500 , 600 or 700 civilians and presumably seperatists as well . America dangles alluring promises of a now really moderate Islamist movement just like it does in every 3 or so years . To make it believable , "Sex" is now on the table . Just like the so called national intelligence has somehow discovered evidence and immediately leaked the same to the Main Opposition which like proves the Chemical attack on Ghouta that nearly got Barack Hussein bomb Syria was a black flag carried out by Ankara ...

come onnnn , America can not be that yellow to give up starting a Civil War in Turkey that might have killed 10 million people ! Not merely that Russians are back and that they can support a side in the Civil War which might then go and kill American operatives and assets in battle or something ...

this confusion or maybe confidence that America can not give up its designs on the Middle East , hence can not abandon people who served those interests exhibit itself repeatedly in the election campaign which would be labelled unmatched gaffes in any normal situation . Just days ago the Easterners were reminded if the A-K-P lost , the white painted Toros cars would be back ... That's a Renault 12 at the end of production run in Turkey , a robust vehicle well suited to the rigours of life in the East , cold and heat and bad roads . Bought in large numbers in the area , hence also used by the "Security Forces" . To abduct people and make them disappear , just a white car without license plates . ı wasn't aware of the extent of hate against it until the thing came around . Everybody , it seems , has a relative that got into one and never came back . Even explains this attack on a police station in some city center where the assailants would have no chance of getting out ; there is this white car surprised while entering the station ... There is no doubt involving the so called immortals battalion of the seperatists , something people in the West might not have heard about . You will discover Kurds conduct suicide bombing only when they have killed enough of us Turks so that they can be dispensed with . Despite many glib words that it was meant to convey that the A-K-P brought democracy to Turkey and lack of A-K-P means a horrible reversal in every field , the Easterners to a guy seem to believe it means that they will die one by one .

and some reverses as well . Declaring the seperatists' organization is not terrorist in character is punishable by law . Some guy at the head of a lawyers' association does that and it fills the airwaves . Almost racists naturally have videos of a MP of A-K-P saying the exact same thing and there you are , the lawyer guy immediately walks free . Of the MP , am pretty sure ı saw him taking part in those trips to the zoo , to see me walking home . 'Cause you know am so idiotic in refusing to give up that even in Ankara they have had heard of me , hence the names in the TV series . Politics are sacred , we have heard over the years . Politicians get the vote of people hence they know everything right , we have learned . Politicians have the right to be this today , and the right to be not this next day , we have been brainwashed . Standarts are only for discussions that suit the polticians to discuss , but we have not been taught that yet .

hence the elections are like so important that even the Russians just keep to killing civilians instead of rolling up the Irresuction for good , ending the bloodshed which is so pointless . Had you asked them , the Syrians would all join the Crusade of killing Turks like voluntarily . As Iran makes make believe war , driving the Iraqi Shia like cattle to slaughterhouse and Russia makes the same for the secularly minded Syrians , so that each TOW kill of a Regime vehicle gets a smiley in strategy sites , it would be rather better for Moscow to gain something tangible before another clock starts tick tocking . It's eye watering to paint white crosses on top of tank turrets , just like am pretty sure it was in WW 2 against the Fascist hordes . Or the Christians of Syrians getting red crosses on the glacis plates but the Russian air attacks should be more than an American justification on why Kurds of Syria like won their country and complications of operations means we have to like accept the facts on the ground .

do not concern yourself with getting the contract on the 3rd nuclear power station , it's done on the basic principle that if one finds a green patch left untouched , one defecates on it .

oh sure , there will be high blown speeches on the glorious advance of the country . And the need for energy , the "recent" power outages right at the start of Alias are merely related to the "fact" that the energy production of Turkey needs a boost and not a desire to teach me a lesson , not after the reminding of the DVD option - the one ı will take . Was thinking they were conserving natural gas now that almost half of the electricity of country is produced by thermal palnts on gas and 70% of the gas is imported from Russia & Iran ... But as history will take note every nuclear power contract in Turkey has been preceded by power cuts ... And then the strategic option ; we have been so good boys in our two yet unbuilt power stations that the third must surely involve enrichment . Oh how traitorous ı am , questioning the need for atom bombs . Yeah , all them Russkies would never dare their anti-Turkish No Fly Zone or we would bomb Moscow ...
 
Stan Laurel?

and can ı remind you that the guy who sits as the Prime Minister of Turkey did really say the 360 degree thing in a bid to remind that there will be a scorched earth policy if the elections do not go a certain way ?

You can, but that's not at all what I am commenting on.
 
You don't even have to look beyond the USSR's border to see that it supported and autocratic state run by a small cabal of powerful white-Europeans. If the Soviets were true to their cause of workers freedom and anti-imperialism, why did they not break up the empire? Why does Moscow control Siberia, central Asia, the caucuses, etc. Why are white-Europeans governing non-white non-Russians across a vast expanse of land?
Siberia? Really? You do realize that Russian (not Soviet) expansion into Siberia was quite similar to the US expansion past the original 13 colonies? That it had already been overrun by Mongols long before Russian settlers started moving eastward at about the same time? That Siberia is one of the least populated regions on the planet?

Do you also think the US should forsake nearly all the country to Indians? Or perhaps even the whole thing?

I'll tell you why. Rhetoric means nothing and Soviet rhetoric against imperialism stopped at their own border. I'd believe them if they dismantled the empire, but they didn't. They held onto the territory stolen from Siberians, colonized by Russians. They still held onto territory stolen from Kazakhs, Turkmen, Chechens, Manchurians, and even Koreans. Millions of people forced into a system of European oppression, ruled by white imperialists and the USSR didn't even blink. Hell, they expanded into Poland and Finland. The USSR, just like America, was an imperialist state. Ruling an empire of millions in the name of greater ideology, which was really nothing other than white-man's burden re-purposed. Stupid brown people, stupid Asian people, stupid Muslims, and mountain clans, they can't govern themselves. They need superior white Russians to liberate them through solidarity and socialism.
You are confusing apples and oranges here. The Soviet Union did indeed go out of its way to create a buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe after it was ravaged by two world wars that cost them tens of millions of lives. But what "imperialism" have they done outside of intentionally creating that buffer for their own protection? How many carrier battle groups did they deploy around the world after the end of WWII? How many foreign military bases did they construct? How many sovereign democratic governments did they overthrow and institute dictatorships in their place out of fear of some nonsensical "domino theory"?

They have also supported and defended staunch allies in other parts of the world, much like the US and other countries have done. You can't very well fault them for that.

The real questions you should be asking is how reprehensible is Syria compared to Saudi Arabia and many of our other allies? Why you apparently said nothing about the US and other countries supporting "terrorists" in Syria, but now you are so upset that Russia is supporting the legitimate sovereign government which has been a staunch ally for many decades in an extremely minimalist manner?
 
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