IS

[Tigranes]

Presumably so you know who to behead if things go wrong.

I always meant to ask -- the star next to your crescent is a shuriken?

 

[Agent327]

Islamic State descends from Wahhabism

I think we now by know. What about the actual point that nobody likes IS?

 

[Joecoolyo]

I think we now by know. What about the actual point that nobody likes IS?

I'm pretty sure that's their shtick. If you derive your legitimacy from opposition to the status quo, you're not really expected to have anyone in the status quo's support, are you?

 

[Borachio]

That might have some merit if IS were wahhabist. Unfortunately, they're not. Which is why nobody likes IS, not even al Qaeda. Let's leave the propaganda to IS, shall we? They seem to be good at it.

I think we now by know. What about the actual point that nobody likes IS?

I don't know, tbh.

They look like wahhabists, and they behave like wahhabists, and now you seem to admit they are wahhabists.

But I don't know of any rule that says all wahhabists must like each other.

Maybe they're just very extreme wahhabists. And we all know that no one likes an extremist.

 

[Ajidica]

I always meant to ask -- the star next to your crescent is a shuriken?

Nope.
My avatar is from Morrowind; specifically the One-Clan-Under-Moon-and-Star, the symbol of Lord Indoril Nerevar, and therefore, his reborn incarnation the Nerevarine. It is also the symbol of Azura, Lady of Dawn and Dusk.

I might need to change my avatar if this many people miss the connection to Morrowind. I mean, one poster thought I was Muslim because of the crescent moon and star.

I thought it was Azura's Star.

It is, but it is also the symbol of Nerevar. It became his symbol when Azura gave him the Moon-and-Star ring to unify the Chimer.
/massively off topic

 

[brennan]

I thought it was Azura's Star.

 

[Tahuti]

Nope.
My avatar is from Morrowind; specifically the One-Clan-Under-Moon-and-Star, the symbol of Lord Indoril Nerevar, and therefore, his reborn incarnation the Nerevarine. It is also the symbol of Azura, Lady of Dawn and Dusk.

I might need to change my avatar if this many people miss the connection to Morrowind. I mean, one poster thought I was Muslim because of the crescent moon and star.

Well, I recognised the connection to Morrowind for one. I'd say 'Please do not change it, I like it'. Though it's your business ultimately.

 

[Agent327]

I don't know, tbh.

They look like wahhabists, and they behave like wahhabists, and now you seem to admit they are wahhabists.

No, you've shown that their ideology derives from Wahhabism. That's not quite the same thing.

But I don't know of any rule that says all wahhabists must like each other.

Maybe they're just very extreme wahhabists. And we all know that no one likes an extremist.

Actually, plenty of people do. The point is IS isn't even liked by fellow Islam extremists (which, granted, is nothing new). As far as I know Saudi Arabia simply considers IS terrorists. Which in this case seems appropriate. Their behaviour doesn't strike me as particularly religious at all; in fact, their acts are cynical in the extreme. Representatives of al Qaeda meeting with IS representatives called them 'traitors' and didn't want anything to do with them. I'm sure there is a religious trait to IS, I just don't think its their primary or defining quality. Terrorism is. To an organization like al Qaeda terrorism isn't a goal in itself, it's a means to an end. In the case of IS terrorism seems to be what they are all about. Their religious propaganda has the sole aim of attracting cannon fodder, and it seems to work. They're very good at it. They propagate destruction, execution and raping women 'in the name of Islam.' That's fine for gullible people to focus on, but I don't think it's wise for the rest of us to focus on. You can't build a state (or Caliphate, as they term it) on such foundations. That requires other things, such as laws and taxation and a government machinery.

 

[Funky]

I'm sure there is a religious trait to IS, I just don't think its their primary or defining quality. Terrorism is.

This is so cute. Yeah, perhaps there is "a religious trait to IS". A group that completely defines itself by Islamic scripture may have something to do with Islam. A group that calls itself "Islamic State" may have something to do with Islam. A group that derives every aspect of its policy and laws directly from the Koran and the Hadiths, from killing unbelievers and homosexuals over suppressing women and implementing sharia to the keeping of sex slaves, may, just perhaps, have something to do with Islam.
But yeah, the "real" issue is surely that they are just terrorists. There surely is no ideology attached, they just decided to be terrorists one day for no specific reason. What a brilliant analysis!

 

[r16]

it's always unfair to pass judgement by the tabloid press , but ...

 

[Borachio]

Hahahaha.

That's as good as, if not better than, "Killer bug ate my face", and "Freddie Starr ate my hamster"

 

[Agent327]

This is so cute. Yeah, perhaps there is "a religious trait to IS". A group that completely defines itself by Islamic scripture may have something to do with Islam. A group that calls itself "Islamic State" may have something to do with Islam. A group that derives every aspect of its policy and laws directly from the Koran and the Hadiths, from killing unbelievers and homosexuals over suppressing women and implementing sharia to the keeping of sex slaves, may, just perhaps, have something to do with Islam.
But yeah, the "real" issue is surely that they are just terrorists. There surely is no ideology attached, they just decided to be terrorists one day for no specific reason. What a brilliant analysis!

Thanks so much for not reading my post even while quoting it. Brilliant indeed. Though not in the usual sense.

 

[Funky]

Oh, I read it just fine. You said that IS's behaviour didn't strike you as particularly religious and that Islam was not their defining quality. And I pointed out how absurd that is.

 

[Snorrius]

Oh, I read it just fine. You said that IS's behaviour didn't strike you as particularly religious and that Islam was not their defining quality. And I pointed out how absurd that is.

It is quite strange one-side affinity of cultural marxists to Islam. It is like they crave to be subdued and enslaved by faithful mujahideen.

 

[Borachio]

I thought they were more like Islamo-fascists than cultural Marxists, myself.

 

[Agent327]

Oh, I read it just fine. You said that IS's behaviour didn't strike you as particularly religious and that Islam was not their defining quality.

That's precisely what I did not say. Try reading it again. And again. And again til you grasp what I actually said.

There could hardly be a more absurd alliance than that of the far left with Islam. Islam is opposed to everything the left allegedly stands for, and yet they desperately defend it whenever they can. It is kind of unfair to Karl Marx though to consider these leftists Marxists. To quote the exalted one himself:

It seems Marx was a lot wiser than our leftists today.

Or he simply wasn't very familiar with it. That happens, as it does in yours.

There was another guy however who jumped to the defense of Islam:

Not a defense of Islam in there. Unless you're extremely islamophobe and have difficulty reading.

It is quite strange one-side affinity of cultural marxists to Islam.

What on Earth is a cultural Marxist? And why would they have affinity with Islam? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

The use of the term "cultural marxist" is usually just a way for those who identify as right-wing to advertise the fact that they neither know or want to know what members of various left-leaning groups actually think, but would rather smear them all with the same broad brush.

 

[Agent327]

I see. Pointing out certain facts and probabilities is equivalent to being part of left-leaning groups now is it? Reminds me of a certain member who seems to think that criticizing certain Kremlin policies is tantamount to being a russophobe. Must be nice to put such simpleminded labels on everything... Not my cup of tea though.

 

[r16]

There was another guy however who jumped to the defense of Islam:

possibly right because Adolf Eichmann was immediately spooted in Palestine and kicked out , so that the guy had to reach out to the Muslims who didn't like the colonialists .

 

[Agent327]

That's not entirely correct. It is true, however, that there was a certain rapport between certain Nazis and certain Muslims. Perhaps we should also mention Gandhi? Or perhaps we should get back to the actual topic.