HRE > Austria simply because of the Germany split, and it was the easiest way to keep the HRE after the Prussia spawn. Greece > Modern Greece is not the best example for you, as your original Israel suggestion was one that would spawn in the modern age, yet you backed up your suggestion by using accomplishments and examples from Old Israel. By all means if you want to, keep trying to convince us, but I am steadfast in my opinion that Israel is not a good civilization choice, and I'm sure that Leoreth is also pretty solid in his opinion too.
Agreed and well stated, Bair.
Pavel,
1) If you are so knowledgeable about Judaism, then surely you must know that Judaism didn't look anything like how it is now before they were exposed to Zoroastrianism.
The concept of Heaven and Hell was "borrowed/ripped off/inspired by" the conflict
between Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu, as well as numerous other aspects such as Judaism.
As well, Zoroastrianism is associated with the world's first imperial power, Persia, and it had its influences on Western culture as well, via the cult of Mithra.
So if you are going to argue for the "origin of Abrahamic religion", you've already been cut to the chase. Zoroastrianism is it.
2) You are also full of hypocrisies, as Bair astutely pointed out.
Your original concept was for the modern state of Israel, and NOT for the Kingdom of Israel or Judah,
the latter grouping of which I would consider as a true civilization,
but still wouldn't want to include because of space issues. (The Phoenician capital is literally 2 tiles away)
That you try to tie the old states with the new to bolster your argument for their
world impact when they have absolutely no semblance of association just kills your argument.
On top of that, I recall you mentioning that you can't play past a certain point because DoC apparently requires "super-computers".
(Get with the times, the minimum standard RAM is now 2-4GB at the very least).
If Israel is going to be a modern addition spawning from the 1900s, then what does it matter to you?
You're not going to be able to play them, given your own description.
So it leads me to wonder why you want them in the game so badly.
3) Third, your attitude does not help with your point.
You seem almost incapable of trying to make a point without denigrating something else in the process.
I can't speak for other users, but from my perspective, you have shown time and time again that you are a consistent and unapologetic bigot.
Every other post you seem to make seems to include some kind of charged statement toward some group or category;
usually Islam, as myself and at least one other user have called you out on.
I'm no mind-reader, but that in particular definitely leads me to believe that you have an agenda
concerning the inclusion of Israel, which I can't say for any other users who have vouched for Israel.
And yeah, this hurts your position too.
I'm not trying to prevent you from expressing your bigotry by the way; I just think this (DoC) is not the proper forum for it.
I'm positive that you can fulfill your needs to spew anti-Islam + any country/peoples who you seem to think is/are "politically unliberal" elsewhere without disrupting game development here.
Might I suggest Off-Topic?
This post also serves as a second (third if you count Leoreth) no to the inclusion of this particular civilization.
