It's About to Get Hot at the Border

[Gori the Grey]

to be asylum seekers you need to be asylum seekers

tautology much?

 

[HoloDoc]

No, because to be asylum seekers you need to be asylum seekers. You need to legally be that, or something close to that, or somewhere in the zip code of that, else you are an impostor.

You are defending impostors' imagined right to screw with things.

What is the imposture? What exactly do they gain by pretending to be asylum seekers? Come on, where are your sources!

And if they intend to seek asylum, they are, by definition, asylum seekers. Whether their claims are legitimate or not is irrelevant to the mere date that they are seeking asylum.

Unless all these migrants are going to go full Scooby Doo villain, and pull off masks, revealing themselves to be an army of Soros clones, you don't really have an argument here. By your own admission, they intend to seek asylum. The cognitive disconnect required to say that they are seeking asylum yet are not asylum seekers is a sign of potential mental illness; surely you have some sort of source to back up such a bizarre claim?

That is word salad and at the end of the cachunk cachunk you came up with exactly the thing I said you shouldn't do.

Well, you definitely got him there...

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

surely you have some sort of source to back up such a bizarre claim?.

Yeh, the fact .01% of those thousands are going to legally qualify. And that doesn't mean "granted".

 

[Birdjaguar]

That is word salad and at the end of the cachunk cachunk you came up with exactly the thing I said you shouldn't do.

Is it too complicated for you to understand? I'll break it down:

The US has a specific and legal process for anyone who wishes to seek asylum within our borders.
The decision to seek asylum in the US is made in the mind of the traveler.
Then the asylum seeker must get to a border crossing point of the US.
At the border they file for asylum.
Then the US officials decide on their case. Some are let in others sent home.

Our border agents have a heads up that a group of asylums seekers are coming from Honduras to seek entry to the US.
They are still weeks away.
We have time to prepare to manage the influx efficiently.
So rather than do the planning, our current President plans to close the borders (and shoot the asylums seekers?) before they are even allowed to follow our legal process.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Yeh, the fact .01% of those thousands are going to legally qualify.

So they won't prove to be asylum qualifiers, but until that judgement is rendered, they are seeking asylum. And if you're so sure about that ultimate percentage, why does this whole thing matter to you? Let the courts designed to determine this matter determine it.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

Putting troops on the border is a good idea. If these thousands of people who have been fooled into impostor status is a front for something worse than political chaos, like organized crime, we should be ready for that concerted push.

Because a huge aspect of this formula of illegal immigration is organized crime. The gov't has no obligation to declare their suspicions and tip their hand.

Saying the soldiers are there to "shoot asylum seekers" is leftist propaganda, nothing more. What's more, it's transparent leftist propaganda. Come on, you can do better.

 

[HoloDoc]

Yeh, the fact .01% of those thousands are going to legally qualify. And that doesn't mean "granted".

This is a statement. Not a source. And it's a rather bold claim.

Incidentally, this is a source. In case you're confused.

Between 2004 and 2007, nearly 4,000 Venezuelans claimed political asylum in the United States and almost 50% of them were granted. In contrast, in 1996, only 328 Venezuelans claimed asylum, and a mere 20% of them were granted.

Surely you must have a source for your claim that this caravan is going to have 2000 times fewer refugees by percentage as these Venezuelans?

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

So they won't prove to be asylum qualifiers, but until that judgement is rendered, they are seeking asylum. And if you're so sure about that ultimate percentage, why does this whole thing matter to you? Let the courts designed to determine this matter determine it.

Why do you seem to think it's acceptable these impostor status people are being lied to and used as pawns in some nefarious larger plan?

 

[Gori the Grey]

I don't know what an "impostor status person" is.

 

[HoloDoc]

Putting troops on the border is a good idea. If these thousands of people who have been fooled into impostor status is a front for something worse than political chaos, like organized crime, we should be ready for that concerted push.

Because a huge aspect of this formula of illegal immigration is organized crime. The gov't has no obligation to declare their suspicions and tip their hand.

Saying the soldiers are there to "shoot asylum seekers" is leftist propaganda, nothing more. What's more, it's transparent leftist propaganda. Come on, you can do better.

Inventing a strawman argument and calling it "transparent leftist propaganda" strikes me as being rather transparent rightist propaganda.

Also, I'm sure we would all appreciate a source for your claim that "a huge aspect of this formula of illegal immigration is organized crime." I mean, you aren't just pulling that out of your arse without any basis, are you? Because that wouldn't be very wise, and you told everyone how wise you were in that other thread.

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

You don't think a major (yes I'm comfortable with huge) influencing factor in illegal immigration is organized crime.

 

[HoloDoc]

Why do you seem to think it's acceptable these impostor status people are being lied to and used as pawns in some nefarious larger plan?

Why do you seem to think that these people are "impostors" [sic]? Also, if they are "pawns in some nefarious larger plan" - whose plan? Soros, Hillary, Putin, Zombie Lenin, Ming the Merciless? - shouldn't they be granted asylum to protect them from this nefarious person/organisation/sapient houseplant?

I don't know what an "impostor status person" is.

That's because you lack wisdom.

 

[HoloDoc]

You don't think a major (yes I'm comfortable with huge) influencing factor in illegal immigration is organized crime.

Is this a question or a statement? I asked you for a source; this isn't about what I think, because I'm not the one making a claim. You made a claim - dozens of them, actually, and none of them sourced, but let's focus on this particular one right now. It is therefore up to you to provide evidence for your claim.

Look, you can't go to the police and say; "this guy stol my car," without providing evidence that he stole your car. In this thread, not only have you not proven I stole your car, you haven't even proven you own one.

And for the record; aside from coyotes to assist in the crossing, and human trafficking, which is entirely unrelated to this situation, no, I don't think organised crime has much to do with "illegal immigration." For one thing, there isn't much profit in it compared to the risks. Criminals early do things without a good reason, and that reason is usually profit.

 

[Berzerker]

Venezuela is different than Honduras, we're more generous to people fleeing communism albeit ADH is way off with .01%

 

[Farm Boy]

Ah wiki, keeper all human knowledge.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Putting troops on the border is a good idea. If these thousands of people who have been fooled into impostor status is a front for something worse than political chaos, like organized crime, we should be ready for that concerted push.

Because a huge aspect of this formula of illegal immigration is organized crime. The gov't has no obligation to declare their suspicions and tip their hand.

Saying the soldiers are there to "shoot asylum seekers" is leftist propaganda, nothing more. What's more, it's transparent leftist propaganda. Come on, you can do better.

Trump has said that he expects US soldiers to fire across the border at anyone who throws rocks. Trump talking is leftist propaganda?

Do you realize that the entire Iowan meat packing industry is based on illegal Mexican immigrants? Iowa!!! Do you know that Devin Nunes's family farm moved from CA to Iowa and is dependent upon illegal Mexicans to function?

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23471864/devin-nunes-family-farm-iowa-california/

You don't think a major (yes I'm comfortable with huge) influencing factor in illegal immigration is organized crime.

Are you saying that Nunes is a mafiaoso?

BTW, your fundamental assumption "these thousands of people who have been fooled into impostor status" is based on what? Who has convinced you of this? Any real data or sources that are reliable?

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

Venezuela is different than Honduras, we're more generous to people fleeing communism albeit ADH is way off with .01%

That group is still forming. The gov't there is doing things from which people might qualify asylum status. Cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[HoloDoc]

Ah wiki, keeper all human knowledge.

It's not like I'm having to go to a lot of trouble to find sources here. Apparently his sources are more esoteric, since he's taking so long to gather them. I assume he'll smack me down with them anytime now.

 

[HoloDoc]

That group is still forming. The gov't there is doing things from which people might qualify asylum status. Cross that bridge when we come to it.

What group? WTH are you talking about? The figures I quoted are from past events, in previous years.

We've added time travel to the list of things these "impostors" can do. Maybe. Not sure.

So... About those sources... Got them yet?

 

[Farm Boy]

Sorry. Just old. I like that wiki is a thing and that it's easy. It's just... so... itself. >.<