Mandatory State issued religious ID cards, active discrimination against non-muslims for jobs and promotions, death penalty in countries like Iran for coverting away from Islam. Etc, etc. That far more legal and societal hate and prejudice than the western countries have against Islam.
You always pressing on Mandatory state religious id cards things, let me tell you something, first it is in Indonesia, and if you think it is for discrimination against non muslim for jobs and promotions then really you are horribly horribly wrong. In Indonesia the non muslim doesn't limited to any Job that they want to do, so don't making up all those things, have you live there yourselves? I live there pretty long.
They can choose what ever job they have, they even been put in important official places as the well known high ranking official like Sarwo Edi the father in law of the president of Indonesia today is a christian, the high rank military in the time of Soeharto Beni Murdani is a non muslim, the former minister of Indonesia Joop Ave is a non muslim.
so what are you trying to stand here for? You stand to critizing the great emirate of Indonesia or Indonesia Sultanate which is not exist?
Will you agree if I tell you we hate non muslim and we wish to take our gun and put in the head of any non muslim to make them convert to Islam? and we want to kill all of you non-muslim and want to discriminate you in extreme level? We don't even care if you are muslim or not. We are not here to convert you as it state in the Quran :
“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)
or
“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)
We don't own guidance, we don't own retribution, God own it why should we force you into something that is not you?
And Indonesia is not an Islamic country, far far far from that.
Look, The reason of the ID cards things is because their first state regulation in what so called Pancasila or the five base of Indonesia goverment is Believing in God. So even they can be agnostic but for official reason they must choose their religion into their ID card. Now don't ask me why, these is their consensus on establishing their government, and democracy is about a consensus of group of peoples that been "believe" as representation of peoples.
I actually think you need to realize that learning Islamic history/culture from someone who is deeply Islamic is about as good as learning Christianity from a Priest or someone deeply rooted in the religion. It is not a fair and balanced review of the religion or faith. Clerics and people who are deeply religious are always going to be incredibly biased and ignore alot of the bad them that their religion or faith inspires. You need to learn for an indepedent outside source that isn't pro-islam or anti-islam.
I was anti Islam before in my early university I against one of the Islamic worldwide group that inject their member in the university actively both infront of them and behind them. That time not to say understanding arabic, I can't even read Quran at that time and I do things that you do include drinking alcohol, there many reason I being like this right now its been put as a process, one of them when I see in another side of opinion.
But the things is like Neomega say, today we are being load with information where anti-Islam non-muslim try to teach us what Islam is, while we never see a muslim point of view.
Why not you learn Islam from Muslim, I learn Christian from catholic I even from Catholic highschool. I learn Hindust by reading Narayan, the Book of Badgavat Githa and the epic of Viyasa almost most of it I read it. I learn budhist by learning the teaching of Huineng and Huike also many Zen practicer. why not you pick up Ibn Kathir or Ibn Qayyim or modern muslim scholar to learn about Islam? take example Charles Eaton, or you want to see a more "Islam" point of view? Listen Zakir Naik.
The best way is you heard both of side of opinion and follow the best of it, that is
adl. But when you only heard another side of opinion, and alergic to the other side, that lead you nowhere from the truth.
Your pointing out strictly non-religious elements of life. Using a banking system has nothing to do with religion. I'm talking about things that actually have to do with religion such as the freedom to convert and not wearing a Hijab for women(there's a difference between the nun and a muslim woman in that the nun freely chooses to wear the veil and take stop being a nun anytime she wants) and also women being treated equally as men and being able to represent themselves equally in courts.
Your also not paying attention to the way many things are governed or done is the Islamic world. You'd really have to be blind if you believe that Islamic countries don't harshly discriminate against non-muslims that live there. Sure, they don't ban them but they're restricted in many facets of life and your not allowed to convert away from Islam.
Then you don't know about Shariah. Usury and bank system the sin is worst than incest in Islam. If you know about Shariah you will not speak that way. Economic system is one of the key center of Islamic law system.
Iran mostly not focus on Quran, as any of Shiah tradition Mulah is the canal of Quran, so they focusing on the fatwa of their mulah. But Arab Saudi, even the Saudi scholar themselves approve Saudi not an Islamic government.
the good words that nice to hear is always a free but valuable charity to give. But today peoples rarely give it even its free.
