KlHannibal2
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I had IGE active and I did not get atolls from capital or generals. I only got the graphics but no yield and no GPTI could be constructed there.
Jarcast's Nan Madol for VP
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I played several times with and against Nan Madol, no particular bug on the atolls (I hadn't seen the fishing boats).
Spoiler Mods I use all the time :
except civ mod which change often.
KlHannibal2
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I will try the atoll again with the latest version.
Urzamax
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I had no problems at all. No IGE or Improved City View on my end.
AndreyK
King
I also have no problems, I have many modmods, IGE and ICV included.
I also have the issues with atolls not spawning the feature that actually gives the resources, just the graphical part, and I am running a very spartan mod list, of which the only one being ran which isn't listed in jarcast2's list is More Unique Components.
Total mod list:
(1) Community Patch (v. 117)
Really Advanced Setup (v. 15)
(2) Vox Populi (v.16)
(3a) VP - EUI Compatibility Files (v. 1)
(4a) Promotion Icons for VP (v. 6)
(4b) UI - Promotion Tree for VP (v. 22)
(over) More Unique Components for VP (v. 85)
InGame Editor+ (v. 46)
Jarcast's Nan Madol (VP) (v. 2)
Other poster saying they have the same issue also stated they use 4UC. Is that maybe the culprit?
EDIT: I see gwennog mentions they use 4UC without issues. I dunno then.
Total mod list:
(1) Community Patch (v. 117)
Really Advanced Setup (v. 15)
(2) Vox Populi (v.16)
(3a) VP - EUI Compatibility Files (v. 1)
(4a) Promotion Icons for VP (v. 6)
(4b) UI - Promotion Tree for VP (v. 22)
(over) More Unique Components for VP (v. 85)
InGame Editor+ (v. 46)
Jarcast's Nan Madol (VP) (v. 2)
EDIT: I see gwennog mentions they use 4UC without issues. I dunno then.
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jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
Yesterday I started a game with the following mods enabled, now in Industrial era and no problems so far. Same things as my previous post.
I added also 4UC and Reworked Top Panel that I did not use in the previous test.
It's not a thing that I can control. When you edit the map (try with IGE turning a flat tile into a Mountain or viceversa) changes come into effect by reloading.
I tried to circumvent it with the dummy improvement with Atoll graphics but not always works it seems.
EDIT: porcodio.
I added also 4UC and Reworked Top Panel that I did not use in the previous test.
Spoiler List of Mods :
If the atoll is there but it's not appearing graphically save the game and reload.
It's not a thing that I can control. When you edit the map (try with IGE turning a flat tile into a Mountain or viceversa) changes come into effect by reloading.
I tried to circumvent it with the dummy improvement with Atoll graphics but not always works it seems.
EDIT: porcodio.
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Other way around. The dummy improvement, the graphical part as I referred to it, is the only thing that gets spawned; the actual part that has the output tied to it, the "real" atoll, does not.
jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
The dummy improvement as well as the GG improvements have the following qualities:
that are sql table entries added by the VP dll.
If they don't work as intended for you (assuming you use the latest VP version) then I have no idea why but the answer may lie in how those mechanics were coded in the dll.
Code:
RemoveWhenComplete=1, CreatesFeature='FEATURE_ATOLL'If they don't work as intended for you (assuming you use the latest VP version) then I have no idea why but the answer may lie in how those mechanics were coded in the dll.
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3.6.2 is the most recent version, correct? If so, yeah, I'm using the latest version.
The "atoll" is listed as an improvement on the mouseover tooltip, and if viewed in IGE+, is under the improvements category, not the features and wonders. Neither the spawn from the capital guarantee nor Nahnken work, and the Nahnken one is the IMPROVEMENT_JAR_NAHNKEN_IN one, in-case that's relevant. I've not gotten to see whether if the Kepidau does or does not work for certain.
AndreyK
King
You have problems in your install. I have many mods more, and it shows and works as stated by jarcast2.
With which? VP or Nan Madol? I have had this issue through multiple (and seeing as I'm pretty sure VP wipes itself on reinstalls and I don't keep old mod iterations floating around in my directory) fresh iterations of both -- I've tried using the civ to see if it was working correctly for me since it originally released. If y'all think that's the issue, I'll take your alls' word for it, and I'll continue troubleshooting it on my end, but from what I've done that doesn't quite make sense to me.
Still Atolls spawned by the Nanhka and the Kepidau have an "atoll" improvement on the tile but still are not actual atolls as far as the tiles goes, it has the graphics. According to IGE+ they are none but have an improvement called Atoll on them, that appears to do nothing -- there are even three different atoll improvements. Not sure what they all do. But it doesn't count as being an atoll tile or give atoll yields. I don't know why it works for some people and not for others. I cleared the cache, reinstalled and so on, run up-to-date addons. Don't know, don't really care. I just fix them manually with IGE+. As in setting them to Atoll instead of none. It's weird but it's not really an issue for me or as far as I am concerned.
To make it as clear as I can -- they, the tiles, have an improvement called Atoll, but they do not have the feature called atoll. Which is what gives the bonus the yields. The feature is called "none". If you go by IGE+ it's under "features and wonders" on the edit map tab. It says none instead of Atoll there. But it has an improvement, same tab, called Atoll. That doesn't really do anything as far as yields are concerned.
Normal from the start atolls work fine, they give the yields, they culture bomb when you get them etc etc.
The Atoll great person improvements. I think holy sites are the main build for me. It's just so much better then the others. The only reason I build an academy or a manufactory is if they are next to each other so I just can not put down another holy site. The town seems very weird. It's very hard to force trade-units to move ontop of it for the extra gold. The citadels are also a bit wonky I guess, you already got the bomb effect and steal the tiles when you get the atoll so that part is mute, also you do get the defence since it's an atoll. So I don't see much point in them either. Also getting a atoll might steal land from city-states and ai, but they didn't seem to mind unlike with a citadel.
Lake atolls are another thing high on my to-build or priority list. They are great. Safer to have then sea or coast atolls. Still not by much but something something pillage tiles.
You can road on top of atolls now, i think it's one of my favorite things as I can connect landmasses with a series or chain of atolls. They work for unit movement but they don't seem to work for caravans.
The ai and barbarians do seem a bit confused about the atolls and their great personal improvements when it comes to pillage, they don't really seem to want to do it very often. It's rare that I see them pillage one of those tiles.
The uhpa works a bit wonky, sometimes it doesn't seem to work. Sometimes it seems to work at 3 tiles instead of two. Had it next to a frigate that bombarded two tiles away, didn't count. I guess this is then 3 tiles away from the nanhka. But an archer that shot a unit two tiles away did give, a melee ship that took a unit next to it gave. I'm not even sure if it's being next to the unit when you kill or if it's being next to it as you start your movement, it's so far my main theory or explanation as to why it sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not sure if it's from the nanhken or from the unit that kills that is within range of the nanhka. It might be both, it has to be within range of the nanhka and the the unit you kill with has to be in the range to or something. It's something I should pay more attention to, it's easier in the start of the game as everything is just melee or range1 slingers. but gets harder later as you extend your kill range.
THe uhpa doesn't stack either if you have multiple nanhken in range of a unit. I had two on top of each other and only one of them gave the bonus.
To make it as clear as I can -- they, the tiles, have an improvement called Atoll, but they do not have the feature called atoll. Which is what gives the bonus the yields. The feature is called "none". If you go by IGE+ it's under "features and wonders" on the edit map tab. It says none instead of Atoll there. But it has an improvement, same tab, called Atoll. That doesn't really do anything as far as yields are concerned.
Normal from the start atolls work fine, they give the yields, they culture bomb when you get them etc etc.
The Atoll great person improvements. I think holy sites are the main build for me. It's just so much better then the others. The only reason I build an academy or a manufactory is if they are next to each other so I just can not put down another holy site. The town seems very weird. It's very hard to force trade-units to move ontop of it for the extra gold. The citadels are also a bit wonky I guess, you already got the bomb effect and steal the tiles when you get the atoll so that part is mute, also you do get the defence since it's an atoll. So I don't see much point in them either. Also getting a atoll might steal land from city-states and ai, but they didn't seem to mind unlike with a citadel.
Lake atolls are another thing high on my to-build or priority list. They are great. Safer to have then sea or coast atolls. Still not by much but something something pillage tiles.
You can road on top of atolls now, i think it's one of my favorite things as I can connect landmasses with a series or chain of atolls. They work for unit movement but they don't seem to work for caravans.
The ai and barbarians do seem a bit confused about the atolls and their great personal improvements when it comes to pillage, they don't really seem to want to do it very often. It's rare that I see them pillage one of those tiles.
The uhpa works a bit wonky, sometimes it doesn't seem to work. Sometimes it seems to work at 3 tiles instead of two. Had it next to a frigate that bombarded two tiles away, didn't count. I guess this is then 3 tiles away from the nanhka. But an archer that shot a unit two tiles away did give, a melee ship that took a unit next to it gave. I'm not even sure if it's being next to the unit when you kill or if it's being next to it as you start your movement, it's so far my main theory or explanation as to why it sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not sure if it's from the nanhken or from the unit that kills that is within range of the nanhka. It might be both, it has to be within range of the nanhka and the the unit you kill with has to be in the range to or something. It's something I should pay more attention to, it's easier in the start of the game as everything is just melee or range1 slingers. but gets harder later as you extend your kill range.
THe uhpa doesn't stack either if you have multiple nanhken in range of a unit. I had two on top of each other and only one of them gave the bonus.
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jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
Thanks for the feedback.
Unfortunately I cannot replicate the issue
EDIT2: I made the bug report myself.
It's a bit of a peculiar case because I noticed my mod is the first one using that code, as it seems there are no precedents in VP and other modmods.
Upha works if the attacking unit is within 2 tiles of the Nahnken, regardless of the position of the killed enemy.
The fact the production bonus doesn't stack is normal. It depends on the defeated unit, which is one, so you get it only once. It would have been weird otherwise.
EDIT: I added a lua line that forces the spawn of Atoll feature, so it won't be needed to add it with IGE anymore. It doesn't remove the bug but solves its problem. Update online.
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I had tested it for my reforestation mod but as it didn't work, @adan_eslavo replaced it with lua.
ildivincodino99
Chieftain
LMAO, hello, my fellow Italian compatriot! Always beautiful to see this kind of nice words in foreign language sites =)
jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
I also found out why for some players the atoll spawn doesn't work.
Thanks to @Enginseer I discovered that those functions are depending on setting
Code:
UPDATE CustomModOptions SET Value = 1 WHERE Name = 'IMPROVEMENTS_EXTENSIONS';However, this gets enabled by your Reforestation mod so for those players who use also that mod (or any other mod with the code above) the Atoll thing works as intended.
It's a bit freaky, not gonna lie.
What seems to not work is "RemoveWhenComplete=1" because the dummy atoll improvement stays when it should disappear although that is a smaller concern because workers can replace it to build the GPTI.
ciao connazionale
EDIT: update online, hopefully the last concerning bugs.
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Good news about the Atolls. Will test it later this week. But I guess it should be fine.
The only other thing I really found so far, beyond what I find to be somewhat inconsistent results with the slave taking buff, is that there doesn't appear to be a cooldown on buying Nahnken great people for faith later in the game, not sure if its intended or an oversight. The only limiter is the amount of faith you have and/or generate. Compared to normal great people that have a cooldown if you buy one of them you can't buy another nomatter how much faith you have. Also it's disconnected from normal great people in that you could by any amount of Nanhken and also one great person on the same turn, if you only have the faith generation or accumulation.
I assumed this was the case but my results in practice are somewhat mixed. To the best of my testing it appears that the slavery things does seem to require that you start within the two tiles range. I used Explorer units that move from far away into the zone and still don't get it when they do an attack/kill. So the tile they stand on when they do the attack have to be within two tiles, it's not enough to be within the range when the attack and kill is complete. So a unit that appears to be in range 3 from the Nanhken and attack into range 2 doesn't always appear to be generating the slavery yield. Ranged units doesn't do it and melee units doesn't do it either even if the melee unit will end up inside the range2 once done, while the ranged will remain stationary so shouldn't do it. Weird thing is that sometimes it does appear to work and other times it doesn't. So the result isn't really consistent in that regard. I have very inconsistent results with Frigates for some reason when they bombard units to death. So it's weird. It mostly appears to be working as intended but sometimes when I think it should have worked it doesn't. But it could be an error on my part. It doesn't appear that anyone else mentioned it so perhaps it's just me.
The only other thing I really found so far, beyond what I find to be somewhat inconsistent results with the slave taking buff, is that there doesn't appear to be a cooldown on buying Nahnken great people for faith later in the game, not sure if its intended or an oversight. The only limiter is the amount of faith you have and/or generate. Compared to normal great people that have a cooldown if you buy one of them you can't buy another nomatter how much faith you have. Also it's disconnected from normal great people in that you could by any amount of Nanhken and also one great person on the same turn, if you only have the faith generation or accumulation.
I assumed this was the case but my results in practice are somewhat mixed. To the best of my testing it appears that the slavery things does seem to require that you start within the two tiles range. I used Explorer units that move from far away into the zone and still don't get it when they do an attack/kill. So the tile they stand on when they do the attack have to be within two tiles, it's not enough to be within the range when the attack and kill is complete. So a unit that appears to be in range 3 from the Nanhken and attack into range 2 doesn't always appear to be generating the slavery yield. Ranged units doesn't do it and melee units doesn't do it either even if the melee unit will end up inside the range2 once done, while the ranged will remain stationary so shouldn't do it. Weird thing is that sometimes it does appear to work and other times it doesn't. So the result isn't really consistent in that regard. I have very inconsistent results with Frigates for some reason when they bombard units to death. So it's weird. It mostly appears to be working as intended but sometimes when I think it should have worked it doesn't. But it could be an error on my part. It doesn't appear that anyone else mentioned it so perhaps it's just me.
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jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
I just noticed I forgot to add the purchase cooldown for Nahnken.
I also changed the lua event for Uhpa from CombatResult to CombatEnded. I didn't know the difference but intuitively now it should work when melee starts from 3 tiles and end up in 2 tile range of Nahnken after killing.
Thanks again for notifying me.
Update is online.
