If you have no idea what someone is talking about, I would not advise talking about it so flippantly in a political thread. People might get the wrong idea about what you're saying.
JK Rowling's Anti Trans Crusade
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If you have no idea what someone is talking about, I would not advise talking about it so flippantly in a political thread. People might get the wrong idea about what you're saying.
Cloud_Strife
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What makes you think that this isn't their intention, there's a reason he ignored the rest of her post about "swinging penises" and other incitement to violence/"action" and instead focused on her making the statistically correct claim that trans people are a small minority, because that's the only salient point he could defend, the rest is unhinged nonsense barely distinguishable from homophobic rhetoric of the past, she's a driving force of anti-trans bigotry in the same vein as anita bryant and i'd give anyone who gave her the benefit of the doubt a strong side-eye.
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If someone doesn't want to educate themselves about systemic injustices in the world, you can't make them.
Besides, everyone's allowed to have an unwise post or two, or to voice an 'inside' thought at an inappropriate time. Heaven knows I've done it enough myself. It's when it becomes a pattern that it becomes everyone else's problem.
Besides, everyone's allowed to have an unwise post or two, or to voice an 'inside' thought at an inappropriate time. Heaven knows I've done it enough myself. It's when it becomes a pattern that it becomes everyone else's problem.
Cloud_Strife
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I feel that there's a difference between not educating yourself about bigotry and actively pushing back against claims of bigotry that are demonstrably true, it's not the "unwise" posts that annoyed me, it's that some cis dude had the gall to tell me that someone who openly voices their disdain for my "kind" to the point of bragging about funding/donating to groups that actively want society and government to view me as a mentally ill man, somehow doesn't hold animus against trans people.
It's pathetic and intellectually dishonest gaslighting that really reminds of me right-wingers, specifically christians, claiming they don't hate gay people but "the sin"
It's pathetic and intellectually dishonest gaslighting that really reminds of me right-wingers, specifically christians, claiming they don't hate gay people but "the sin"
Zardnaar
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Purity testing. Own goal imho.
Cloud_Strife
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JK Rowling has actively been radicalized against trans people, to the point of aligning herself with rapists and other misogynists like Trump, Matt Walsh and other freaks, such is her devotion to her anti-trans cause, she hates us and anyone who still gives her the benefit of the doubt does not have our best interests in mind
I'm not sure you'd call it "purity testing" if somebody wanted to push all New Zealanders into the sea, and somebody (imo rightly) said "that's not just dumb, that's actively harmful, if not lethal".
Zardnaar
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Wasn't referring to that.
More alienating people whose support you need. They might agree with most of what you say.
We've seen it play out online. Rights far more forgiving.
You described "liberal" reactions to JKR's opinions as "purity testing".
I'm simply saying you wouldn't be saying that if somebody was targeting a different demographic. You wouldn't be calling it "alienating" if the people being targeted included you.
But maybe I'm wrong.
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Manfred Belheim
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Just an FYI that none of that is visible in the embedded tweet on my screen. Presumably it's hidden behind the "show more" link, which again presumably requires logging into Twitter? Even if it doesn't, it's reasonable to assume people aren't going to be clicking on that from within this thread.
Cloud_Strife
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All you need to know is that it's an unhinged rant about trans people, going so far as to talk about genitals
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Actually she has anti-male views, which translates over to anti-trans because she sees them as just an extension of that. The RF part of TERF was always there, it was just given a free pass until it manifested in this incredibly predictable way.
Cloud_Strife
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I don't believe that for a second because she has no issue with supporting cis males that awful allegations of rape and domestic violence against them, she specifically dislikes trans people and advocates against them, not males.
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I'm not doubting it is, I'm just saying you need to factor in that people probably haven't even seen that part when you're assessing their responses.
I'm not saying she hates all men universally, but she definitely has anti-male views in general. Yes, she sees transwomen as men, but the reason that's a problem for her is that she sees men, as a group, as dangerous predators and rapists and oppressors. That's what's driving her advocacy. So is the root problem that she sees half of society as inherently evil, or that she's miscategorising a very small minority of people into that group?
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Senethro
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Men are very unlikely to be impacted at all though. Trans people already are
I have to say, this is a major problem with allowing a third party to provide the content you are quoting. If you want to quote what someone said, I think it is much better to quote it rather than use these embed things, as they can be changed later, as well as showing differently for different people. It seems I get a third view, with obvious transphobia but no swinging penises.
I am really ranting against major news organisations that do it, rather than posters here, but the point remains.
I don't think it was her anti-male views that were given a pass, just that she in general was given a pass until she decided to torch her public image. The same applies to other celebrities who were too popular or well-connected to speak out against until some critical juncture occurred. Other examples include Harvey Weinstein and Jimmy Savile.
Cloud_Strife
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She's not arguing for cis men to be blanket treated or seen as potential rapists but she does argue that trans women are a specific risk
