Jordan Peterson

[miaasma]

If Noam Chomsky supported intervention in Syria you can bet every anarchist in America would be as well.

i'm sorry what

 

[Timsup2nothin]

i'm sorry what

Commonly known as a red herring, intended to derail the thread so as to avoid recognition that his previous post had been exposed as stupidly erroneous.

 

[miaasma]

i gathered that much, but i was really curious as to how he'd expand on that particular one

 

[Timsup2nothin]

i gathered that much, but i was really curious as to how he'd expand on that particular one

I favor chopping the tail and fins off of red herrings and force feeding them back to their origins.

 

[miaasma]

if noam chomsky supported mutilating fish you can bet every anarchist in america would be as well

 

[inthesomeday]

Thats the thing about anarchists we like mindlessly following the academia

 

[Senethro]

What would it take to get Noam Chomsky to endorse my pineapple and anchovy pizza?

 

[Lexicus]

It wasn't a red herring, he was implying that's the same logic you would use to conclude that American conservatives would approve of Hannity burning the flag

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Thats the thing about anarchists we like mindlessly following the academia

The key to being recognized as a great leader is consistently recognizing where most people are headed and getting there first.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It wasn't a red herring, he was implying that's the same logic you would use to conclude that American conservatives would approve of Hannity burning the flag

And the intent of that was to steer the conversation away from the fact that his previous claim had been demonstrated by example to be false. While perhaps not a red herring by form, it was by intent.

 

[miaasma]

It wasn't a red herring, he was implying that's the same logic you would use to conclude that American conservatives would approve of Hannity burning the flag

i think it was flimsy enough to be considered a red herring

 

[aelf]

I appreciate the logic of what you are saying @aelf . But I think there’s more reason to believe his bridge allows greater reversion to the mean than radicalizes people. Meanwhile, there’s so much I’ve wanted to say this past month on this subject but people have already answered the call to arms.

All aged folks are going to have really cool and really dumb things baked into their speech. To not be able to tell which is which would then demand making a judgment based on association and synthesis. That is not knowledge. But it is clearly motivating peoples’ claims.

If you can’t tell when Jordan Peterson is saying something of value and when he’s tripping, I guess it would be the safe option to reject him entirely.

The thing is, everyone has value, and everyone sometimes (or often) be tripping. There’s no value in playing it safe like that unless your goal is social acceptance. If everything someone says is good then you’re lying to yourself through ignorance or otherwise.

So no one can fit the black and white criteria. And I’m sad that this corner of the Internet finds more joy in surrendering JP to those who would divide us than neutralizing him politically by accepting where he offers value to any individual seeking to live a good life.

It's not really "logic" as such - I'm just describing what's happening.

Whether or not Jordan Peterson has anything valuable to say (in the universal sense) is beside the point; which is that he says things that the alt-right has latched on and out of which it's getting mileage.

 

[Lexicus]

And the intent of that was to steer the conversation away from the fact that his previous claim had been demonstrated by example to be false. While perhaps not a red herring by form, it was by intent.

i think it was flimsy enough to be considered a red herring

I don't think it's really a red herring, just a poor argument by analogy. But whatever.

Tammy Lentils, seen here totally respecting the flag (maybe MW can tell us whether she faced a backlash from conservatives for this):

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

§176. Respect for flag
[...]
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Whether or not Jordan Peterson has anything valuable to say (in the universal sense) is beside the point; which is that he says things that the alt-right has latched on and out of which it's getting mileage.

Are they really getting mileage though?

They are having some fun among themselves, for sure. Any time a recognizable person says something they can "latch on to" it will immediately roar around their echo chamber with a "look, we really are smart!" interpretation.

And it will get dragged from their echo chamber by the usual shills.

But those shills are still going to be recognized as the usual shills. No one outside the echo chambers is going to suddenly say "wow, a member of academia said something they claim justifies their ideology, I guess they aren't the hateful blithering idiots I thought they were" and congratulate the shill.

 

[Traitorfish]

Certain aspects of black culture have devastated the economic and social life of many black communities. That is not the same as treating black culture as a problem to be solved.

I'm afraid that the distinction is not self-evident.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Certain aspects of black culture have devastated the economic and social life of many black communities.

Since I habitually skip a lot of the idiotic nonsense you post, this particular piece of grotesque racism slipped by me unnoticed.

Just in case anyone doesn't recognize what I'm talking about, this is the equivalent of saying "Palestinians obviously have a genetic incapability that prevents them from developing a strong economic base, just coincidentally while having the snot bombed out of them by Israel on a regular basis." Assigning causality to some claimed flaw in the victims when a far more obvious cause is readily apparent is the grossest hogwash.

 

[miaasma]

it'd be interesting if he could go into detail about what he thinks black culture consists of, and which elements of it are responsible for the supposed devastation of black communities

 

[sophie]

Ever been to a major sporting event? Ever noticed that the conservatives didn't get their panties in a bunch over all the people who choose the national anthem as a good time to grab a snack at the snack bar? Ever notice that the conservatives didn't get their panties in a bunch over all the people who figure the national anthem is played before the game starts so they have time to duck in a restroom and take a crap? Ever notice that the conservatives didn't get their panties in a bunch over all the people who sit through the national anthem reading their program, talking to their date, picking their noses, and whatever else crosses their minds to do?

But suggest that you are trying to bring attention to black people being murdered by the criminal justice system during the national anthem? Instant panty wad! Not at OUR game! How DARE you?

They also notably don't get their panties in a wad over this:

Spoiler :

The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose, nor embroidered on cushions or handkerchiefs, printed on paper napkins or boxes, nor used as any portion of a costume.

The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

ETA: Damn, ninja'd by Lex. We literally made the same post.

 

[Broken_Erika]

If someone brings up a red herring, they should at least cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with it!

 

[sophie]

Are there any flag lawyers who can tell me if American flag bunting is a respectful use of Old Glory?