KhaNESII: S.P.Q.R

[thomas.berubeg]

I agree

 

[Terrance888]

semi-OOC: I want to debate, not just raise my hands or pace from one side of the room or another like an headless goose. (the Roman method of voting) I vote AYE on Immaculate's proposal.

 

[merciary]

Appius Tanicius Uticensis:
1.3.1: Aye
1.3.2: Aye
1.3.3: Aye
1.3.4: Abstain
1.3.5: Abstain
1.3.7: Aye
1.3.8: Aye
1.3.9: Aye
1.3.10: Abstain
1.3.11: Nay
1.3.12: Nay
1.3.13: Abstain
1.3.14: Aye
1.3.15: Nay
1.3.16 :Aye
1.3.17: Aye
1.3.20: Nay
1.3.21: Nay
1.3.22: Nay

 

[Grandkhan]

There's still two people left to vote by my count, so I figure i'll give them the 24 hours. I'd rather not just cut it halfway arbitrarily.

Your proposal has been noted and I'll implement it next time though

 

[Immaculate]

Yeah- i meant for the next sections and turns. It wouldn't be fair to just cut their deadline on this go 'round.

EDIT: and thanks too.

 

[Popcornlord]

Spoiler :

Best i could find with a brief search.

No relation to the Emperor Caracalla

My absence in recent events stems from a visit to Athens, were I have met with old friends. It seems, however, I should not have left, with so much happening. Thankfully my scribe has been busy at work. I will respond to everything through my votes. If necessary, I will elaborate during next season's discussions.

Please vote Aye, Nay, or abstain from the following laws. You have 96 hours to vote.

1.3.1: Initiate the office of the Praetor Parricidii (with choice of who to fill that office to be made by consuls in agreement after the bill passes if it does)- voting 'aye' does not signify that i would automatically fill that that office- the choice would be the consuls.

Aye.

1.3.2: Initiate legal proceedings to capture and try the mob who killed the rebel patricians under the direction of the local governor Consul Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius.

Aye. We follow order in Rome, not the chaos of the mob.

1.3.3: Initiate legal proceedings to try the defecting legionaires. They should not just be offered early retirement for their trechery. I consider myself an EXTREMELY devoted supporter of our soldiers and am PROUD to have served in Rome's military but we cannot allow this sort of defection to be ignored. I don't call for their heads- merely for our laws and traditions to serve the function they are meant to.

Abstain.

1.3.4: Raise new legions to capture and try the rebel senator Gaius Caesar (to be commanded by a senator appointed by the Consuls)

Aye. We must not let rebels leave Rome lightly.

1.3.5: Raise new legions to be placed under the command of a general appointed by the consuls to pacify Transalpine Gaul. The commander would have the specific duty to establish a position of strength and establish a peace treaty if possible- but only from a position of strength so that our international reputation does not make us look weak.

How does this differ from law 1.3.5? I assume any legion raised against Julius would also work to pacify Transalpine Gaul. Aye, I suppose.

1.3.7: Accept Marcus Titus Scipio's offer to return to Rome so as to make it very clear that he is loyal to the senate. Appoint a new commander to assist in the battle with the central Gaillic confederation and command of the 1st. I recommend reappointing Marcus Titus Scipio in another theater - he has proven himself an able commander and we have need of them in the field. The final decision would be that of the consuls.

Abstain.

1.3.8: Invest the governor of Hispania with the formal powers of an Envoy of Rome and have him meet with the Celtiben and Vascones to engender local diplomatic support and to prevent opportunism from these tribes while we deal with Transalpine Gaul and Gaius Caesar. (point edited in light of fellow senators wise arguments)

Abstain.

1.3.9: Any war started without the prior express permission of the Senate/Consuls will be deemed illegal.

Aye. This is very important to prevent another similar situation from arising.

1.3.10: The one responsible for beginning an illegal war will fund the replacement of lost legionnaires, and the costs (if any) of peace. Naturally, if peace is secured with a payment to us, the payment goes to the coffers of Rome, not to the private treasury of the warmonger.

Aye.

1.3.11: Illegal wars may be retroactively legalized if the Senate so desires.

Nay. I do not want generals to start wars in the hope that they will be legalized. Such a dramatic measure should go through the senate only, before the war begins.

1.3.12: Self-declared rebels are outlaws who have renounced the Senate and People of Rome, and all citizens of Rome have the responsibility to bring them to justice by whatever means necessary or that they are capable of providing, until the rebels are disarmed, incapacitated, captured, or dead.

Aye. I would think this would be self evident, but it is good to have it in writing.

1.3.13: The Allied Gaul seeking settlement within Roman territory will be allowed to settle as well as receive a fund, size determined by the Consuls, to aid in said settlement.

Nay. I do not see why they should be resettled.

1.3.14: is mutually exclusive to 1.3.13 and dependent upon the passage of 1.3.5. New Roman military presence in Transalpine Gaul would be charged with protecting our allies in the region and protecting their homes within that province.

Aye. Much better. Let us protect our allies instead.

1.3.15: Amendment to Law 1.1.6. The Consuls cannot skip payment of salaries two times in a row, even during in Crisis. A chosen Dictator may choose to skip payment of salaries for the entirety of his term if he desires, on the condition that it the base rate is paid upon reinstatement of the Consuls.

Nay. If the consuls see it fit, then the money would be better used for Rome.

1.3.16 :Status of the Helvetii. An Envoy shall be sent to Helvetii to negotiate an official relationship with the tribes in that region. Reasonable effort shall be made to ensure this relationship will be peaceable or friendly.

Aye.

1.3.17: This law brings into existence the office of Overseer of Gaul. This would act as a superior agent to the Governor of Transalpine Gaul, and any other Senators and Generals in the area of Transalrpine Gaul (excluding Consuls), which is to be defined as both Roman and Barbarian lands north of the Pyrenees and beyond the Alpes. This office is to be appointed by the Consuls, and will receive strategic directions in the Bill each season. Its primary purpose is to co-ordinate all operations within this chaotic province and find bring the Gallic Wars to an end in a way that is favourable to Rome and does not compromise the integrity of the Republic. Further aims and objectives will be set by the Consuls, in consultation with the Senate, however precisely how these aims are best accomplished will be primarily up to the Overseer to decide. The Overseer will not be provided with a fixed budget due to the need for flexibility, but may request the Consuls for further resources of any kind should they be necessary. The office shall remain until deemed no longer neccessary by the Senate.

Nay. I consider it unnecessary, so long as we act quickly to remedy the situation in Gual.

1.3.20: Nominate Aulus Mucia Laetonius for Envoy to the Western Gallic Confederation to secure an honorable peace with them.

Aye. I will be honored if the senate gives me this privilege.

1.3.21: The chieftains of the Covenae and Biteroges are offered Roman citizenship and the rights to the majority of their land. In return, the Lands of the Covenae and Biteroges become part of the Province of Hispania.

Aye.

1.3.22: Senator Gnaeus Oppius Marsicus join Praetor and Governor of Hispania Servius Aemilius Celsus Arrianus in Hispania to help safeguard the Province from numerous potential threats and to fight the Rebel Gaius Iulius Caesar.

Abstain. I would prefer it left to the consuls.

 

[germanicus12]

Dispatch from Marcus Titus Scipio:

I believe what you fine Senators seem to fail to understand is that in the time it takes to recall me to Rome, find a new commander to lead the 1st Legio and then re-appoint me to a new command or governorship, I would have helped Lucius finish the siege of Alesia, thus ending that war then with the approval of the Senate, had they instead done this, shifted my 1st Legio west and engaged the rebel Caesar before winter set in, thus killing two birds with one stone, before bringing my victorious troops to Rome and returning them to Senate control.

Alas, not all have the brilliant military mind like mine, so I shall make preparations to return to Rome, without the soldiers. Also since it appears likely the Senate is out for blood, I will not call my bodyguards to Rome and instead represent them in court myself.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

I support Marcus in his actions and decisions.

 

[Immaculate]

Marcus Titus Scipio:

I am sure the Consuls will not demand your return until such time as the 1st is in good hands.

 

[Seon]

Marcus Titus Scipio:

I abstained from voting precisely because I do not believe it is in the senate's wishes to impose any military commands upon the consuls at this time.

As long as the consuls do not decide otherwise, there is no reason why you must return to Rome at this moment in time.

 

[Nuka-sama]

Is this game still open to new players?

 

[Grandkhan]

Of course! Just post your Senator's name and a brief personal history, I'll work out the stats and you're good to go!

Though you might want to start after this current bit of voting is done, just to avoid confusion though.

 

[Nuka-sama]

Severus Sertorius, the son of Sulla's enemy, Quintus Serorius, is the heir to the prominent Sertorius family. With their numerous estates in Iberia, they are a force to be reckoned with in Rome. Severus has had experience with his father in fighting Sulla, and now returns to Rome to help ensure that his family is heard in the Senate. Aged around 30, a patrician

 

[Immaculate]

Patricians have to be 30 to be in the senate, others 32.

So you would be 30 at a minimum.

 

[Nuka-sama]

Fixed

 

[Grandkhan]

Severus Sertorius' traits are Patrician (+1 Intrigue) and Competent Commander (+1 Management).

You have roughly 18 hours for voting, since I'm going to be busy all of tomorrow night and will cut it short before I go. If somebody could do a vote tally then so we can go to Consuls writing a Bill immediately that would be great.

 

[Ekolite]

OOC: We already have a draft bill, so we shouldn't take too long

 

[Immaculate]

OOC:
We lack votes from Mayor and Bonefang but otherwise everyone who could vote did. Since we are way past the deadline here are the results of the voting:

1: 6 aye, 2 nay
2: 6 aye
3: 8 aye
4: 2 aye, 2 nay (tied)
5: 4 aye, 1 nay
7: 5 aye, 1 nay
8: 3 aye, 2 nay
9: 7 aye
10: 5 aye, 2 nay
11: 3 aye, 4 nay
12: 5 aye, 3 nay
13: 1 aye, 5 nay
14: 5 aye, 2 nay
15: 2 aye, 6 nay
16: 10 aye
17: 4 aye, 2 nay
20: 3 aye, 2 nay
21: 4 aye, 4 nay (tied)
22: 2 aye, 5 nay.

All other votes are abstains.
Please feel free to double-check my counts.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Due to having to move back with my lunatic parents i have once again lost the use of internet. While I might be able to still play in some NES', its going to be unlikely i can mod them. As such i am going on hiatus for a while, and will resume my NES when i have internet. Apologies to those affected.

This

 

[Immaculate]

oh....

We can probably go on without him for the next sections (until he gets internet back)...
The consuls should probably decide on those issues where the votes are tied. And assign commanders, envoys, etc as required...

That way we could keep some semblance of momentum while we wait for gk to get his tubes all set up.