King of the World #2: Frederick

You can use passive espionage in Spain. All you need is Open Borders.

The other option is to convert to Christianity and send in the missionaries.
 
I think your plan is good but am hesitant about Spain. I've seen her with some nasty stacks before. If you hit her blind I'd add some cats and try to get cyrus mixed in your Asian excursion.
 
cabert: A few things. 1) Madrid is a decent production city, with the potential for a wonder or two. 2) Seeing as how we're Hindu and Isabella's Jewish, there's not a whole heck of a lot to be gained from leaving her on the map. 3) Spanish culture is squeezing the life out of our French territories.
 
In this round, we did what we set out to do and had a new challenge thrust upon us.

We started out by cutting Louis a deal and bringing him into the religious fold:

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But that's just diplomatic maintenance, not what you're here to see.

It was time to wipe Spain off the map. I checked Isabella's technological progress first, and liked what I saw:

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She doesn't even have Feudalism for Longbows. Nice.

Honestly, with a technological advantage like that, I didn't even think it was worth taking the time to replace my lost catapults. Those extra couple of collateral damagers wouldn't be worth the possibility of Spain upgrading her Archers.

I let the Paris stack finish healing up, and sent it headlong across the Pyrenees:

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Unfortunately, that stack was all that was standing between the former French capitol and utter anarchy. I rushed a theater and made a civics change to give some replacement troops to get there from Hamburg:

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We ended up losing one population from unrest-induced starvation (and two population points died setting up the stage), but that's the price of doing business.

The Spanish sent a frankly pathetic offensive force at us:

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I can kind of see Isabella's thinking here. She was making a push for Rome, which was defended by a lone Archer. Sadly for her, this meant passing by Lyons, staffed with three Macemen:

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We can also see the defenses of Madrid. Wow. Those Archers aren't even promoted.

I sent the Macemen out from Lyons to strike at Izzy's attack stack, leaving only a single Chariot:

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I then moved Rome's Archer to the Marble hill and upgraded him to protect the Workers (silly me for leaving the workers exposed like that, though, honestly, they don't have a heck of a lot to do anymore).

Our offensive force, meanwhile, was hit by a couple of Catapults. We killed one, but the other bum managed to withdraw. I upgraded a Maceman to an anti-Archer special forces guy and sent him after Spain's source of Iron:

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Somehow, he survived the turn and managed to eliminate Spain's only metals. She can rush Archers all day long, but I'd rather not see Axemen (Okay, so maybe she can't make anything that can really hurt me at this point. I'm just trying to foment good habits).

Our Macemen submitted themselves and their Catapult wounds to the tender ministrations of Dr. Scout while our own siege weapons focused on taking down Madrid's walls:

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You can see that we're researching Guilds rather than Liberalism. Yeah. Hatty beat us to that particular prize, and, with our targets starting to get farther afield, I figured it was time for Knights to become part of our arsenal.

Around this time, Berlin was getting ready to spit out another Great Person. I was (Saints preserve us) hoping for a Great Artist. Madrid was bound to have a long rebellion time:

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Sadly, it was not to be. I got a GS, which I settled in Berlin.

We built a Caravel in Rome and sent it out to find out what was going on in the Americas. England had a Caribbean city set up, and we sold the secrets of Monotheism and Drama to the Roosevelt and Monty for all the gold they had in the whole wide world (90 in all, I think). Talk about backwaters. Sadly, neither would part with their maps.

With Madrid's walls finally fallen (at least as far as I felt was necessary) after two turns of barrage, I made one final screenshot before the assault:

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After round one of combat proper, we had lost both catapults, but nothing else. Spain's forces did not fare so well:

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The next turn, we finally saw China's stack of Doom:

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Not much, but with most of my forces in Spain, the elephant, especially, was inconvenient. I accepted the loss of the Workers (again, not like there's much for them to do right now) and made peace with Qin (he wanted 180 gold, but took Philosophy instead- if I can get him to go Pacifist, so much the better). Once we were friends again, trade quickly resumed (Wine and Stone for Silk and Bananas).

Spain, obviously, fell early in 1090:

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With all my attention on Spain (and normalizing relations with the Chinese), I had forgotten about our shadow war with the Dread Khan. I sent a messenger asking for Mongolia's price for peace, fully expecting to get my messenger's head back in a basket.

I was sorely disappointed:

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Poor old Genghis. Like Spain and the Inca, Mongolia really is screwed on this map, unless a human player REXes or conquers aggressively early on. They joined in China's war, hoping for some easy territory, and were sorely outclassed.

So, anyway... Spain is no more. Rome has been relegated to Africa, and the Nordic French are Pleased to be our Vassal. Our next move is to set up a navy for the arduous war on Elizabeth and... oh:

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Okay, so it's not so bad. Catherine's assault consists of a single Trebuchet. This turn.

Here's the frozen north:

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And the lush Mediterranean:

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If it wasn't for Cathy's belligerence, I'd say it was time for the Third Roman War. That's an awful lot of Spanish land Caesar's claiming there.

The diplomacy screen:

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Yeah, this is the only conflict on the map. I can probably drag Cyrus and maybe Saladin into this.

And the Power Poll:

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Ouch. I hope I can drag Cyrus into this.

Hamburg is currently manned by an Axe (which can be upgraded) and a Mace. I'm gonna rush *something* as an emergency defender, but what? A Pike? A longbow?

Needless to say, it's time for my real army to reverse course posthaste. How many should I leave in Madrid to prevent a backstab by London or Caesar?

Here's the save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/118138/Frederick_AD-1110.CivWarlordsSave
 
On your Berlin screenshot, you could be gaining 1 more commerce without a loss :D

Drag everyone into the Russian war and try to take some Russian territory.
 
Gak. You're right. I'm used to second-guessing the BtS advisor by now, but I didn't think the Warlords one would betray me, too.
 
Rome can't declare war and back stab you, their vassals. England will have to sail accross, which she just might do. I would garrison a small force in-between paris and madrid to defend which ever city might be attacked. If the culture push gets too strong on them, you'll have to garrison them inside to prevent a revolt. great artists would help a lot. the next best thing would be to focus the cities on culture for a while, running artist specialists. catherine is going to be very tough. You will definately need an ally. send a unit into her territory to try to find out what kind of stack she is sending so you can know what defenders to use. You might need to buckle down and defend against some waves before going on the offensive against her.
 
Rome is no vassal. That war ended before Feudalism. France is my vassal.

And, yeah, I've been trying for a GA for a while, though. That Great Library keeps pumping out scientists, though.

If anyone is bored and looking for something to do, I would appreciate it if you could download the save and just tell me how screwed I am. I realize that I might have overcommitted to the Western push and that the Great Bear may completely overrun me. But, then, maybe this is one of those crazy not-wars like I had with the Chinese. After all, the initial "stack" is just a lone Trebuchet.

I'm obviously not looking for complete spoilers, just an idea of where I stand on the "nothing to worry about"-"thank you for playing, please try again" continuum.

I could probably also use a smack to the face regarding some city-management mishaps, as well (like that whole "I'll ignore the river farm and instead work the non-commerce farm right next to it" fiasco).
 
Neal,

Just before you declared war on Issy. Did you demand the 100 gold from here? I always try to fleece my targets just before going to war with them.

On another note, this thread has inspired me to try the same scenario. I play on Noble and am having a great time. I took out Louis first, instead of going for Italy, then Italy once I had Cats. I conquered Alexander and am now taking on Hatty.

I always play on Epic, and I can't believe how much fun regular speed is. Everything gets done so much quicker.

Anyway, thanks for the inspiration.

Cheers.
 
Neal,

Just before you declared war on Issy. Did you demand the 100 gold from here? I always try to fleece my targets just before going to war with them.

When your opponent gives in to your demand, you automatically sign a ten turn peace treaty with them. So demanding and then going to war doesn't work, as far as I know.

EDIT: Never mind, forgot that this isn't a BTS game. God, I am tired. :D
 
Manu: I could have, but I didn't. To me, that feels more like an exploit than a real strategy. Besides, this is likely my last non-BtS game, and I'd rather not abuse tactics that can't be used there.

I'm glad you like it, though. It's a favorite map of mine, and a big part of why I'm doing this is to give it a little bit of exposure. The closest to a standard Civ IV start is Russia; everyone else has unique challenges and benefits to their starting position (especially the Inca- I love their isolation).
 
I would leave a defender or 2 in the western cities but bring everything else to the east to defend from Cathy .. I find that she rarely declares war unless she has an army ready to strike which she often does. Even losing a single city can set you back very far since you took over all of this land and your empire is still small compared to Persia or China. On top of that, other civs with large armies may dogpile on you (like Hatty or Asoka).
 
I was going to play the save, but i haven't been able to use the earth map on warlords ever since i downloaded and installed the 2.13 patch.
 
Gotta say I love this game, and this map. I loved the dramatic ending to the last round. Cathy, you wench! :lol:

Good luck fighting the bear :)
 
guess it's time to whip an emergency army to make sure you don't lose any ground in the east before cathy's REAL stack arrives.
 
Well, a game that goes according to plan is boring, anyway. I'll play and post the next round sometime tonight or tomorrow.
 
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