Askthepizzaguy
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Worse than Dommy. Makes Dommy seem competent/likeable.
KotOR Mafia - game thread
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Worse than Dommy. Makes Dommy seem competent/likeable.
Askthepizzaguy
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I know.
And I'm not even hesitant to say it. Never thought I'd say it. But I'm not even going out on a limb here.
This forum, CFC, and the .org, are two of the only places on the internets where there is a serious lack of true suckage.
And I'm not even hesitant to say it. Never thought I'd say it. But I'm not even going out on a limb here.
This forum, CFC, and the .org, are two of the only places on the internets where there is a serious lack of true suckage.
Askthepizzaguy, I'm pretty sure you know exactly all you'd need to know about Winston at this point and he's a neutral and a criminal. Why pretend otherwise? We both know that's why the town should get rid of him, nothing more, and yeah I'm not really deterred by his clearly fake defense because he's had no problem pushing to kill random townies for no reason and I don't have a problem killing a neutral who is harming the town. If Winston actually checks he'll also know I hadn't interacted with him at all on Day One, and another townie role who is now dead was the one suspicious of Winston and put me onto it.
While I think we could make the right call on Buddhafish, there are also a huge number of bandwagoners who need to acknowledge not to lynch NinjaCow tomorrow, that's a terribly scummy plan, no matter what happens today or tonight. Because if you're going to take out anyone after me and seeing my town role, look closely at the bandwagons if others die during the night, and it should be someone like Winston, again, not NinjaCow. He just happens to be a townie with a wrong case and that's what the mafia want.
While I think we could make the right call on Buddhafish, there are also a huge number of bandwagoners who need to acknowledge not to lynch NinjaCow tomorrow, that's a terribly scummy plan, no matter what happens today or tonight. Because if you're going to take out anyone after me and seeing my town role, look closely at the bandwagons if others die during the night, and it should be someone like Winston, again, not NinjaCow. He just happens to be a townie with a wrong case and that's what the mafia want.
Dreadnought
Deity
Gentlemen, it's a game. While we may be townies and scum going after each other, in the end we should be happy that we're all playing, because without players the great hunt wouldn't be possible.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Askthepizzaguy
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I concur that going after NinjaCow doesn't make sense regardless of flip, unless say, the person was not even darkside. Although I'd lynch if that were the case, in mafia there are special roles sometimes, so it doesn't prove that he's guilty even if his scan were wrong. I've also seen townies claim to have scans they don't actually have. It's highly risky and considered foolish, and I really recommend you don't do that, and I still did it...
However, you're acting like Winston is scum. Actually his claim indicates very much that he's not the ones we're after; it's believable and it doesn't really help him survive, and it's provable. There are folks who will still want him dead.
I don't see him claiming it as scum.
More likely they're going to claim bounty hunter, or that they're Jedi, or they have some cover role. This particular role wouldn't be a cover, IMO.
I'm half-agreeing with you. NinjaCow lynch is bad, Winston lynch slightly less bad but still not productive. he's not even a bounty hunter.
Backwards Logic
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@Tak: If you need a replacement, I can *probably* spare some time to play. Shoot me a PM.
spaceman98
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edse
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Why would a town scanner say "if he flips lightside, lynch me"? He basically says "if the person I accuse is innocent, I deserve to die." or "if the person I accuse is innocent, I'm mafia." both bad in town perspective.
It can lead to the death of two townies, atleast one of them power role.
We aaren't lynching Buddha-something anyway so Mergle's claim isn't tested.
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Knigh, it's a policy lynch. It's so a Mafia can't go "Oh look I'm a cop and that guy is scum oh wait he's not oh well he must have been a miller I will do better next time!". If you are Mafia, don't try and dispute policy lynches. Trust me, just don't. *sheds a single tear*
Askthepizzaguy
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I generally hate automatic moves whatever they may be.
Detective reveals result in automatic lynches, automatic follow-up on whoever did the claim, either by lynching the claimant if the reveal is wrong, or by murdering the claimant if the reveal was correct, large wagons, limited discussion.
There's also the fact that someone making the bullchip claim is calculating that they can still win the game even when you policy lynch them. That means they're volunteering the gambit.
You don't always take the gambit. You try to figure out why the gambit is being offered in the first place.
Detective reveals result in automatic lynches, automatic follow-up on whoever did the claim, either by lynching the claimant if the reveal is wrong, or by murdering the claimant if the reveal was correct, large wagons, limited discussion.
There's also the fact that someone making the bullchip claim is calculating that they can still win the game even when you policy lynch them. That means they're volunteering the gambit.
You don't always take the gambit. You try to figure out why the gambit is being offered in the first place.
Okay, though it depresses me immensely, I'm going to drop the RP now so I can explain why it's ludicrous for Earthling to be so convinced I should die, and why I think it leaves his claims of acting in the town's interest looking very weak indeed.
In the first place, he's outright lying when he says he wasn't coming after me from day one. Just look at his posts - I'm mentioned by name or implication over and over again, and he tried to lynch Zack just for speaking in support of me on the meaningless day one vote. This kind of behaviour - going after people for no reason but personal prejudice, and generating strings of spurious reasoning to obsess about the same people - is most certainly not pro-town. Its main effect is to create a load of fluff to make you look active. Once in a blue moon, the people you're focusing on for meta-game reasons might actually be villains, and maybe will get rattled by the pressure. But, in most cases, all it does is force non-scum (such as myself and Zack) to spend their efforts fighting a relentless battle to no useful ends, and force everyone else to wade through lakes of meaningless drivel. That is to say, its main effect is to stodge up the thread and make it harder for the town to catch scum.
Now, I've seen Earthling act in a similar way when playing as scum and as town, and the main difference is that he tends to be more actively confrontational when playing as town; as scum, he still follows the same policy, but he only kicks into the more aggressive mode when someone else goes on the offensive against him. To my reading, the latter is a better description of how he has acted here, especially with regards to this threat to put up a bounty against me (which, let's face it, is nothing more than sheer vindictiveness).
Secondly, despite being neutral I have been working with a known townie behind the scenes - specifically, before he was killed (which was most frustrating) I had explained my role to Jarrema in full, had worked out a mutually beneficial agreement with him, and had already provided one nugget of potentially useful information. Given that Earthling seems to know about my role, it's reasonable to assume that he also knew that Jarrema and I were coming to an agreement which would benefit the town. And yet, instead of approaching me in private with a view to recreating that deal, he has seen fit to suggest that I should be killed immediately. However you want to spin it, these are not town-friendly actions on his part.
Finally, now that I've gone public with this, I'm forced to take any notion of a backroom deal off the table. I can't afford to give the scum a reason to kill me or the town a reason to lynch me. So, thanks to Earthling's hounding, I will now have to play a fully neutral role here. What exactly that means will become public knowledge tomorrow morning (assuming I survive that long), but you can rest assured that what I'm going to do will offer equal (which is to say, equally minor) benefits and opportunities to both town and scum.
In the first place, he's outright lying when he says he wasn't coming after me from day one. Just look at his posts - I'm mentioned by name or implication over and over again, and he tried to lynch Zack just for speaking in support of me on the meaningless day one vote. This kind of behaviour - going after people for no reason but personal prejudice, and generating strings of spurious reasoning to obsess about the same people - is most certainly not pro-town. Its main effect is to create a load of fluff to make you look active. Once in a blue moon, the people you're focusing on for meta-game reasons might actually be villains, and maybe will get rattled by the pressure. But, in most cases, all it does is force non-scum (such as myself and Zack) to spend their efforts fighting a relentless battle to no useful ends, and force everyone else to wade through lakes of meaningless drivel. That is to say, its main effect is to stodge up the thread and make it harder for the town to catch scum.
Now, I've seen Earthling act in a similar way when playing as scum and as town, and the main difference is that he tends to be more actively confrontational when playing as town; as scum, he still follows the same policy, but he only kicks into the more aggressive mode when someone else goes on the offensive against him. To my reading, the latter is a better description of how he has acted here, especially with regards to this threat to put up a bounty against me (which, let's face it, is nothing more than sheer vindictiveness).
Secondly, despite being neutral I have been working with a known townie behind the scenes - specifically, before he was killed (which was most frustrating) I had explained my role to Jarrema in full, had worked out a mutually beneficial agreement with him, and had already provided one nugget of potentially useful information. Given that Earthling seems to know about my role, it's reasonable to assume that he also knew that Jarrema and I were coming to an agreement which would benefit the town. And yet, instead of approaching me in private with a view to recreating that deal, he has seen fit to suggest that I should be killed immediately. However you want to spin it, these are not town-friendly actions on his part.
Finally, now that I've gone public with this, I'm forced to take any notion of a backroom deal off the table. I can't afford to give the scum a reason to kill me or the town a reason to lynch me. So, thanks to Earthling's hounding, I will now have to play a fully neutral role here. What exactly that means will become public knowledge tomorrow morning (assuming I survive that long), but you can rest assured that what I'm going to do will offer equal (which is to say, equally minor) benefits and opportunities to both town and scum.
Askthepizzaguy
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See, all some people are going to hear you say is backroom deal, neutral, and scum.
It doesn't matter what your higher argument is. You're using words, and some of them don't say townie.
That's what is depressing. Grunting and meowing might have been more effective.
It doesn't matter what your higher argument is. You're using words, and some of them don't say townie.
That's what is depressing. Grunting and meowing might have been more effective.
JohannaK
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Not with me, I say. Grunting and meowing were helping Earthling's campaigning with me. 
johnhughthom
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Nah, Pizza's hatred of me is more subtle. He expresses it in his constant capitalization of my name.
Moderator Action: Firstly, please don't rinse & repeat this dispute. If you have a problem with another player, talk to a moderator about it.
Secondly, don't troll any other forum member(s), however justified you believe your criticism to be.
Please ensure that the OOC sniping is minimised.
spaceman98
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Some minor words of wisdom pointless philosophy: I have heard a theory that too manny power roles can weaken the town by causing confusion. I think this is that.
Also: Too those who wish to keep lynching bounty hunters. A bounty hunter may be a better lynch in the short term, but it leaves us with less killing ability and gives the scum great opportunities to lurk. Remember, scum kills are inherently anti town, while bounty hunters can work for us. Since there is more of us, we can set a higher price, making them more likely to help us.
Also: Too those who wish to keep lynching bounty hunters. A bounty hunter may be a better lynch in the short term, but it leaves us with less killing ability and gives the scum great opportunities to lurk. Remember, scum kills are inherently anti town, while bounty hunters can work for us. Since there is more of us, we can set a higher price, making them more likely to help us.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Vote: The Black Knigh
Updated tally so far (I hope)
Earthling: 13 (DCmort93, Dreadnought, Spaceman98, JoanK, Mechaerik, ATPG, Buddhafish, Darth Caesar, DaveShack, topsecret, Red_Spy, classical_hero, Winston Hughes)
Buddhafish: 6 (Mergle, BSmith1068, NinjaCow64, Gone 3 the Celt, Earthling, Mat93)
The Black Knigh: 3 (Choxorn, Zack, NedimNapoleon, Verarde)
Dumanios: 1 (SamSniped)
Double A: 1 (Double A)
Mergle: 1 (The Black Knigh)
SamSniped: 1 (Dumanios)
Zack: 1 (Martin Luther)
Not voting: 6 (Atheotes,Big Tin, CivGeneral, Southern King, Xenoneb)
Earthling: 13 (DCmort93, Dreadnought, Spaceman98, JoanK, Mechaerik, ATPG, Buddhafish, Darth Caesar, DaveShack, topsecret, Red_Spy, classical_hero, Winston Hughes)
Buddhafish: 6 (Mergle, BSmith1068, NinjaCow64, Gone 3 the Celt, Earthling, Mat93)
The Black Knigh: 3 (Choxorn, Zack, NedimNapoleon, Verarde)
Dumanios: 1 (SamSniped)
Double A: 1 (Double A)
Mergle: 1 (The Black Knigh)
SamSniped: 1 (Dumanios)
Zack: 1 (Martin Luther)
Not voting: 6 (Atheotes,
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