LastSword's Viet Nam for VP
- Thread starter Hinin
- Start date
Gwennog has no control on the update for this mod. It's just that I'm quite tired this week, and will try to update tomorrow.
This is a personal mod of Hinin but I am very happy that you like our respective or common mods so much. Thanks.
While waiting for Hinin's return, I took the liberty of making a version compatible with VP 3.0. I hope he won't mind. It's a very nice civ mod with a mechanism that I find original and there is a great immersion in playing it.
As pointed out @AndreyK, the
Tourism gain is far too high when one of your units dies (on rennaissance era, 540 points each time !). I lowered the value by a factor of 8. @Hinin will surely make a balancing of which he has the secret.
As pointed out @AndreyK, the
Tourism gain is far too high when one of your units dies (on rennaissance era, 540 points each time !). I lowered the value by a factor of 8. @Hinin will surely make a balancing of which he has the secret.
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dostillevi
Prince
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Having a fantastic early game with this civ - it's certainly very strong if you happen to start with a lot of marshland around. I managed to destroy england after they DOWed me in the classical era, and I'm giving Monty a run for his money (although I don't want to conquer him).
dostillevi
Prince
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Curious situation... I have this archer fight going on, and for the first 3-4 rounds of exchange they couldn't shoot me, but afterwards they could, even though I was hitting them every round. Is there some logic with the vision plague that it doesn't get refreshed on every hit, or maybe a unit can't be "reinfected"?
saamohod
Deity
My first game with Vietnam. Looks like they are OP. Their UI is too strong. Look at these yields in early renaissance:
Okay, I enjoy this civ a lot! It has many interesting themes & bonuses.
Free units on DoW: extremely powerful early game. You can DoW for "free" in the ancient era on every civ you meet without diplo or security concerns and get a large army. It pairs especially well with wide play, to deal with barbarians and ensure appropriate defense while aggressively settling. It loses effectiveness later on because infantry units just aren't that good and war become increasingly costly, which is fine. I wish it spawned a slinger though -- I think the Pineappledan's Tweaks requirement date from when slingers weren't the default archer unit?
Wet Foot: I was wary initially, the promotion seemed too weak to give only to UUs and civilians. But the UI is buildable on *so many tiles* that additional movement is *very* welcome. On UUs it also emphasizes the defensive nature of Viet Nam alongside 20% CS against civ with more pop. I like it a lot.
UUs and UB: I don't have much to say. They're all interesting and of an appropriate strength level imo. I like having archers with cover in particular. I'm an archery fanboy, it's my most built unit line, and I'm decent enough at positioning that other archers are my main threat; cover helps with this.
UI: If VP had a competitive scene (like lekmod), this UI would get Viet Nam banned 100% of the time. Look at these tiles:
The fact that it doesn't remove features means it's especially busted on jungles (+1f from feature, +1p from UA) and forests (+1p from features). My jungle cities grew so fast that they had happiness problems throughout the classical and medieval eras despite very good yields and a large balance of national happiness. I also had the most income and culture all game.
It's a difficult UI to fix because it does so many things. For example, yields in jungles with multiple adjacencies are insane but on a plain or grassland coastal tile you get +1f/c/gap, which is ok early game but doesn't scale.
Some suggestions
Terrains: I'd consider limiting to freshwater or even river only.
Feature removal: should stay in; good identity.
Yields: remove culture from city connections (keep production, it's the weakpoint of this biome). Turn gold&GAP per adjacency to per 2 adjacencies.
Free units on DoW: extremely powerful early game. You can DoW for "free" in the ancient era on every civ you meet without diplo or security concerns and get a large army. It pairs especially well with wide play, to deal with barbarians and ensure appropriate defense while aggressively settling. It loses effectiveness later on because infantry units just aren't that good and war become increasingly costly, which is fine. I wish it spawned a slinger though -- I think the Pineappledan's Tweaks requirement date from when slingers weren't the default archer unit?
Wet Foot: I was wary initially, the promotion seemed too weak to give only to UUs and civilians. But the UI is buildable on *so many tiles* that additional movement is *very* welcome. On UUs it also emphasizes the defensive nature of Viet Nam alongside 20% CS against civ with more pop. I like it a lot.
UUs and UB: I don't have much to say. They're all interesting and of an appropriate strength level imo. I like having archers with cover in particular. I'm an archery fanboy, it's my most built unit line, and I'm decent enough at positioning that other archers are my main threat; cover helps with this.
UI: If VP had a competitive scene (like lekmod), this UI would get Viet Nam banned 100% of the time. Look at these tiles:
The fact that it doesn't remove features means it's especially busted on jungles (+1f from feature, +1p from UA) and forests (+1p from features). My jungle cities grew so fast that they had happiness problems throughout the classical and medieval eras despite very good yields and a large balance of national happiness. I also had the most income and culture all game.
It's a difficult UI to fix because it does so many things. For example, yields in jungles with multiple adjacencies are insane but on a plain or grassland coastal tile you get +1f/c/gap, which is ok early game but doesn't scale.
Some suggestions
Terrains: I'd consider limiting to freshwater or even river only.
Feature removal: should stay in; good identity.
Yields: remove culture from city connections (keep production, it's the weakpoint of this biome). Turn gold&GAP per adjacency to per 2 adjacencies.
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jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
Fixed error due to Nha San using the deleted table Improvement_AdjacentImprovementYieldChanges -> replaced with new table Improvement_YieldPerXAdjacentImprovement
jarcast2
Janitor Raccoon
Fixed the typo that generated this SQL error in the civ trait table
The correct entry is: UNITCLASS_VP_SLINGER
The correct entry is: UNITCLASS_VP_SLINGER
