[LP] Leader Pass Pack 6: Rulers of England Revealed (Coming Mar. 29th)

[AntSou]

Still from the short clip with the whole dress. I guess I can relax. I was bracing myself for something really basic like Ramses.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I actually like them all but Elizabeth's design is not consistent with the rest of the game. Standalone, it's a good model.

Steam Victoria is probably my favorite, she definitely has the best hat in the game. She probably should look older but alas...

Well, they're all immortal, so . . .

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Well, they're all immortal, so . . .

So, in this parallel universe Kublai is not the grandson of Genghis, which would also explain why he looks older than him?

 

[KayAU]

There's something about Elizabeth's pose in that trade agreement video, she looks like she's casually holding a cigarette while judging me.

Anyway, the models all look good, but as usual, it's the abilities I care about. I suppose we'll only learn those on release day?

 

[Haig]

I think Elizabeth is the best model from leader pack, the art, the color theme, everything.

 

[Uberfrog]

I see that Harald’s new armour leaves his throat exposed. I think he may come to regret that.

 

[queenpea]

Still from the short clip with the whole dress. I guess I can relax. I was bracing myself for something really basic like Ramses.

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Imagine, Elizabeth I in a tee shirt dress.

 

[Navelgazer]

Buy my whales or I'll take every coastal city you have

"Hello, I come with letters from Her Majesty Victoria
who, learning how you're trading now, sings 'Hallelujah Gloria!'
and sent me to convey to you her positive euphoria
as well as little gifts from Britain's various emporia.

"Her Majesty considers the arrangement to be tentative,
Until we ship a proper diplomatic representative.
We don't foresee that you will be the least bit argumentative,
so please ignore the Man-o-War we brought as a preventative."

 

[Oberinspektor Derrick]

I dont see how Harald can be interesting, as the civ bonus for Norway is pretty weak and bland at the same time.
What makes (current) Norway uniquely into Norway, is the leader ability that allows for early boat rushes and pillaging.
Take that away and you are left with a pretty bland and bad civ that can sail on oceans earlier (where sailing techs are already a pretty iffy choice except on island maps) but otherwise doesnt do anything extraordinary.

They have to show some proper ingenuity here for me to be interested, because atm this looks like another Sejong Korea to me (bland bonuses that offer nothing new in terms of gameplay).

 

[Laurana Kanan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1638933678326947840

 

[Thormodr]

I dont see how Harald can be interesting, as the civ bonus for Norway is pretty weak and bland at the same time.
What makes (current) Norway uniquely into Norway, is the leader ability that allows for early boat rushes and pillaging.
Take that away and you are left with a pretty bland and bad civ that can sail on oceans earlier (where sailing techs are already a pretty iffy choice except on island maps) but otherwise doesnt do anything extraordinary.

They have to show some proper ingenuity here for me to be interested, because atm this looks like another Sejong Korea to me (bland bonuses that offer nothing new in terms of gameplay).

Agreed. The pillaging is what makes Norway fun to play. Take that away and give them an average abiiity and you've got a contender for worst Civ.

 

[pokiehl]

Despite the limitations they're working with, all of the packs have generally surprised me with the creativity of the abilities, so I'm hopeful we can be pleasantly surprised again on that front.

 

[Josephias]

I see that Harald’s new armour leaves his throat exposed. I think he may come to regret that.

What I don't see is how he's going to play helmet-on, helmet off with the mail coif clipped by the shoulder belt.

Unless, of course, he only takes off the helmet and keps the coif on all the time...

Edit: on abilities, I'm positive the mercenary nature of the Varagnian Guard can make for an interesting gameplay twist, but I just ended work day and I'm not clear of mind enough to think on the possibilities.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Agreed. The pillaging is what makes Norway fun to play. Take that away and give them an average ability and you've got a contender for worst Civ.

I don't really see much that could synergize with Knarr without the Viking Longship, but regarding the Stave Church and the Berserker, I could see them making a different synergy that focuses around those two, especially considering Harald's Varangian persona.

 

[bbbt]

Edit: on abilities, I'm positive the mercenary nature of the Varagnian Guard can make for an interesting gameplay twist, but I just ended work day and I'm not clear of mind enough to think on the possibilities.

In terms of existing abilities, the things that comes to mind with 'mercenary' is the ability to buy units from barb camps in the the barb tribe mode and levying troops from city states.

Or they may do something where they just split the existing Harald's abilities (shipbuilding vs pillaging bonuses) and enhance those two.

 

[Planktonic]

I dont see how Harald can be interesting, as the civ bonus for Norway is pretty weak and bland at the same time.
What makes (current) Norway uniquely into Norway, is the leader ability that allows for early boat rushes and pillaging.
Take that away and you are left with a pretty bland and bad civ that can sail on oceans earlier (where sailing techs are already a pretty iffy choice except on island maps) but otherwise doesnt do anything extraordinary.

But this new Harald isn't going to be leading Norway, is he? Isn't he an alternative Ruler of England? Won't his leader ability couple with the English civ ability?

Or am I missing something here? Imean, they specifically call the pack "Rulers of England", not "Rulers of the North Sea" or something like that....

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

But this new Harald isn't going to be leading Norway, is he? Isn't he an alternative Ruler of England? Won't his leader ability couple with the English civ ability?

Or am I missing something here? Imean, they specifically call the pack "Rulers of England", not "Rulers of the North Sea" or something like that....

Sorry, but he's still ruling Norway. The pack name is not literal. Nor have the Great Commanders been all warmongers, the Great Negotiators having anything to do with diplomacy, or the Great Builders all pertaining to construction.

 

[DannyMustardpants]

Sorry, but he's still ruling Norway. The pack name is not literal. Nor have the Great Commanders been all warmongers, the Great Negotiators having anything to do with diplomacy, or the Great Builders all pertaining to construction.

Yes, but all the 'leaders of...' packs have been literal, so I understand the disappointment.

Edit: I generally play only one leader per pack bc of how quickly they're coming out. I think I'll give OG Elizabeth I a spin as a last hurrah, and then go on hiatus until Civ 7.

 

[Josephias]

In terms of existing abilities, the things that comes to mind with 'mercenary' is the ability to buy units from barb camps in the the barb tribe mode and levying troops from city states..

Considering what Harald did as a Varagnian (amass wealth at the service of Byzantium), I might think on a rework of Gilgabro ability were fighting along an ally (that, as a malus, you might be forced to do), provides you important gold rewards. altough this might be too situational.

But this new Harald isn't going to be leading Norway, is he? Isn't he an alternative Ruler of England? (...) Or am I missing something here?

Well, the Civ in the announcement poster (1st post) is stated as Norway

Yes, but all the 'leaders of...' packs have been literal, so I understand the disappointment.

True, but we only had one proper "Rulers of..." (China) which adscribes to this literality. We can argue Rulers of the Sahara meets the requirement, but its more questionable, and provides space for more than one civ. I guess the fact Harald wanted to be ruler of England is the reason he is mixed in, but as he did not accomplish it, he cannot be given the civ

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

I'd love a Harold that was a reverse Dido, getting bonus loyalty from costal cities on other continents.