I would call US involvement in Vietnam wrong. I would not call it imperialism. The US involvement in Vietnam was in defense of French imperialism, for the French demanded that we defend their imperialism there as the price of alliance in Europe. Which was damned %*$$%& stupid of the French. But DeGaul. Once the French gave up, it was all about opposing the commies. American domestic politics required opposing the commies. The US never intended to end up in control of Vietnam, only to deny the commies control of Vietnam.
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I would call US involvement in Vietnam wrong. I would not call it imperialism. The US involvement in Vietnam was in defense of French imperialism, for the French demanded that we defend their imperialism there as the price of alliance in Europe. Which was damned %*$$%& stupid of the French. But DeGaul. Once the French gave up, it was all about opposing the commies. American domestic politics required opposing the commies. The US never intended to end up in control of Vietnam, only to deny the commies control of Vietnam.
Lexicus
Deity
I don't think that's accurate at all. The US wanted to keep Vietnam (and by extension all of SE Asia) out of the Communist economic bloc and open to America's global economic system. They absolutely intended to end up "in control" of Vietnam, albeit not directly.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
There's a pretty thin line between propping up client-regimes and Kentucky Straight Imperialism. Ask the British.
Lexicus
Deity
The Baby Boomer generation has this weird thing where they just really really don't want to admit that the Vietnam War was a crime worthy of the Nazis. My dad opposed it while it was going on and even he won't go further than to call it a stupid mistake.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I think part of that is that the American establishment carefully appropriated criticism of the war by casting America as the primary victim. Cinematic depictions are always about how much it sucked to be an American soldier, and maimed civilians are just the traumatic backdrop to their no good very bad day. The politicians who drove the war effort were Bad Guys not because they were a pack of bloodthirsty genocidal maniacs, but because they put "our troops" in needless danger.
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So it's counter-imperialism, in the same way that the
Broken_Erika
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Yes. "Counter-Intelligence". The opposite of Intelligence.
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sophie
Break My Heart
What's all this then?
AFAICT, @Takhisis wants you to explain the use of prepositions in classical languages to @Broken_Erika , in the context of imperialism, counter-imperialism, intelligence and counter-intelligence.
Broken_Erika
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Sounds Counter-Intelligent to me.
sophie
Break My Heart
? counter = contra = "against" and not "opposite of"? I don't really understand what he's looking for here.
Broken_Erika
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Pfffffffffffttttttttttt!It means whatever i want it to mean.
From this moment forth; I declare that Banana means post.
This concludes this Banana, i will banana more as soon as the next random thought enters my head that i need to banana.
From this moment forth; I declare that Banana means post.
This concludes this Banana, i will banana more as soon as the next random thought enters my head that i need to banana.
Taiwan just lost a friend today:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-set-lose-third-diplomatic-ally-source-014854218--finance.html
Looks like China is finally making its move on Taiwan. First they are going to strip them of all their diplomatic allies, then likely find some way to pressure them into capitulating after isolating them diplomatically. What do you all think? Is there anything that can be done to save Taiwan at this point or is their proverbial goose finally cooked?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-set-lose-third-diplomatic-ally-source-014854218--finance.html
Looks like China is finally making its move on Taiwan. First they are going to strip them of all their diplomatic allies, then likely find some way to pressure them into capitulating after isolating them diplomatically. What do you all think? Is there anything that can be done to save Taiwan at this point or is their proverbial goose finally cooked?
I have read that Chinese came to Nauru, invested lot of billions on hotels and tourist infrastructure and importing millions of chinese tourists and then forbidden it as destination and flights there and demands loans back. Its something what we can probably see in the evil corporate business but seeing it in international relations is terrifying.
I don't think Taiwan is actually beaten. Not within a low number of 4-year Western-style governments. I do think that China's just setting up to recoup after North Korea eventually opens up and slowly liberalises (again, not in western 4-year-presidency timeframe).
The US should have pushed for a peace treaty and mutual recognition when they had the chance. Now it might be too late.
In related news, Xi Jinping has demanded the personal loyalty of every soldier in the People's Liberation Army to the Party, which might be a show of weakness.
The US should have pushed for a peace treaty and mutual recognition when they had the chance. Now it might be too late.
In related news, Xi Jinping has demanded the personal loyalty of every soldier in the People's Liberation Army to the Party, which might be a show of weakness.
Doesn't matter much in either the short term (Taiwan's going to remain independent) or long term (short of a revolution to overthrow the CCP, Taiwan is screwed).
Cuba?
