I'm sorry for your loss!
Not ESL thing... more like a "different judicial system" thing, I guess.
Did the agency in question admitted responsibility for death?
Or just for bullying/ inadequate workplace conditions?
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Not ESL thing... more like a "different judicial system" thing, I guess.
Did the agency in question admitted responsibility for death?
Or just for bullying/ inadequate workplace conditions?
sophie
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This is also leaving aside the criminalization and deliberate political stigmatization of transness by elected officials.
Bathroom laws are designed to ensure that trans people entering wrong-sex bathrooms will be attacked and brutalized, as happened to Nex Benedict. Being forcibly taken off hormones also inhibits one’s ability to pass, which makes living as a trans person, *especially* living as a trans woman significantly more dangerous. I think the cis men in this thread underestimate the amount of casual violence we can be subjected to, even in broad daylight, even in public spaces
It is, moreover, essentially a matter of unwritten official policy in the US that trans women, upon admission to men’s prisons, be stripped, sexually assaulted by prison guards, and/or paraded naked before inmates, and then essentially sold off to the most dangerous, violent male inmates as a reward and to encourage further good behavior. Trans women who get “v-coded” as such are generally raped multiple times a day. every day.
This suite of policies all interlock and compound in one another. Whipping up a frenzy around our danger to other women and children creates a culture of permissibility around violence against us, a social group who is already exposed to a great deal of violence. Taking away our access to safe spaces and resources like women’s shelters inhibits our ability to escape dangerous, abusive environments which we experience at a higher rate than many other groups. Taking away our access to hormones makes it more likely that we will be identified and subjected to this environment of violence, while the criminalization of our access to public spaces means that when we are more easily identified, law enforcement will have a legal pretext to abuse and arrest us, before moving us to institutions where we can be humiliated, raped, and brutalized in detail, out of the public eye, and with no real legal recourse on our end.
It is not just “a-holery,” it is a system of violence whose explicit aim is to either: a) outright murder us, b) turn us into vessels for extractive sexual violence, or c) humiliate and brutalize us into “correction” which not only doesn’t actually stop the violence or humiliation btw, but also subjects us to a debilitating hormonal and mental state.
Bathroom laws are designed to ensure that trans people entering wrong-sex bathrooms will be attacked and brutalized, as happened to Nex Benedict. Being forcibly taken off hormones also inhibits one’s ability to pass, which makes living as a trans person, *especially* living as a trans woman significantly more dangerous. I think the cis men in this thread underestimate the amount of casual violence we can be subjected to, even in broad daylight, even in public spaces
It is, moreover, essentially a matter of unwritten official policy in the US that trans women, upon admission to men’s prisons, be stripped, sexually assaulted by prison guards, and/or paraded naked before inmates, and then essentially sold off to the most dangerous, violent male inmates as a reward and to encourage further good behavior. Trans women who get “v-coded” as such are generally raped multiple times a day. every day.
This suite of policies all interlock and compound in one another. Whipping up a frenzy around our danger to other women and children creates a culture of permissibility around violence against us, a social group who is already exposed to a great deal of violence. Taking away our access to safe spaces and resources like women’s shelters inhibits our ability to escape dangerous, abusive environments which we experience at a higher rate than many other groups. Taking away our access to hormones makes it more likely that we will be identified and subjected to this environment of violence, while the criminalization of our access to public spaces means that when we are more easily identified, law enforcement will have a legal pretext to abuse and arrest us, before moving us to institutions where we can be humiliated, raped, and brutalized in detail, out of the public eye, and with no real legal recourse on our end.
It is not just “a-holery,” it is a system of violence whose explicit aim is to either: a) outright murder us, b) turn us into vessels for extractive sexual violence, or c) humiliate and brutalize us into “correction” which not only doesn’t actually stop the violence or humiliation btw, but also subjects us to a debilitating hormonal and mental state.
Lexicus
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Yes, absolutely, the people who enacted these laws and enforced them should be facing capital punishment for crimes against humanity
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I'm not sure we're in a place yet to see whether the denial of services can be linked to an increase in suicides, because the provision of services isn't yet the norm, and/or it hasn't been for long enough. However, it has been looked at the other way, to see whether the provision of gender-affirming care reduces suicides, suicide attempts, suicidal ideation, or other mental health issues. It's early days, but it seems like the answer is 'yes.'
A 2015 survey:
Mental health benefits associated with gender-affirming surgery | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Gender-affirming surgeries are associated with numerous positive health benefits, including lower rates of psychological distress and suicidal ideation, as
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Harvard School of Public Health said:
A 2020 survey:
Journal of Adolescent Health said:
A March 2023 review of 23 studies found a trend, but acknowledges the limitations of a "narrative review" (e.g. surveys):
Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment: A Review - PMC
Gender-affirming treatment remains a topic of controversy; of particular concern is whether gender-affirming treatment reduces suicidality. A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, ...
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National Institute of Health said:
Broken_Erika
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Ghana passes bill making identifying as LGBTQ+ illegal
Ghana's parliament has passed a tough new bill that imposes a prison sentence of up to three years for anyone convicted of identifying as LGBTQ+.It also imposes a maximum five-year jail term for forming or funding LGBTQ+ groups.
Lawmakers heckled down attempts to replace prison sentences with community service and counselling.
It is the latest sign of growing opposition to LGBTQ+ rights in the conservative West African nation.
The bill, which had the backing of Ghana's two major political parties, will come into effect only if President Nana Akufo-Addo signs it into law.
He previously said that he would do so if the majority of Ghanaians want him to.
Gay sex is already against the law in Ghana - it carries a three-year prison sentence.
Last month Amnesty International warned that the bill "poses significant threats to the fundamental rights and freedoms" of LGBTQ+ people.
Activists fear there will now be witch-hunts against members of the LGBTQ+ community and those who campaign for their rights, and say some will have to go into hiding.
The bill proposes a jail term of up to 10 years for anyone involved in LGBTQ+ advocacy campaigns aimed at children
It also encourages the public to report members of the LGBTQ+ community to authorities for "necessary action".
MPs said the bill was drafted in response to the opening of Ghana's first LGBTQ+ community centre in the capital, Accra, in January 2021.
Police shut the centre following public protests, and pressure from religious bodies and traditional leaders in the largely Christian nation.
At the time, the Christian Council of Ghana and the Ghana Pentecostal and Charismatic Council said in a joint statement that being LGBTQ+ was "alien to the Ghanaian culture and family value system and, as such, the citizens of this nation cannot accept it".
The bill approved by lawmakers is a watered-down version of an earlier draft - for instance, jail terms have been shortened and a controversial clause on conversion therapy has been removed.
During the days-long debate, the deputy parliamentary leader of the governing party, Alexander Afenyo-Markin, suggested further changes.
He said lawmakers should decide, via a secret ballot, whether people convicted of being members of the LGBTQ+ community should be imprisoned by the courts or ordered to do community service and undergo counselling.
However, he was heckled into submission by lawmakers who supported prison sentences.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68353437
Klaus Hergersheimer
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Not addressing you in particular, but after several pages of discussion on this, I'm surprised no one has really noticed that it would be the parents of these individuals who would be facing the greater punishment in this circumstance. And it doesn't seem to me that procedures which aren't traumatic/injurious really rise to the level of what we call "abuse". If not prison, and their child being removed from their home, then a child abuse allegation could also ruin one's personal/professional reputation, leading to them being fired (or not hired elsewhere), and many many other things associated with job loss...More explicitly eliminationist fash stuff from high elected officials in the United States. The country has a serious problem on its hands with this being entirely mainstreamed and accepted. He's the elected executive of one of the biggest states and he's trying to kill a whole class of people.
I realise most ppl already understand this, it's still just a staggering radicalisation from a country I think most of us assumed was pretty normal until a few years ago.
Texas governor calls on citizens to report parents of transgender kids for abuse
Gov. Greg Abbott said those who fail to report instances of minors receiving gender-affirming medical care could face “criminal penalties.”www.nbcnews.com
Chukchi Husky
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This is reminding me of the moral panic of the eighties where people believed playing Dungeons & Dragons and listening to heavy metal was causing teenagers to commit suicide.
Republican Says More Kids Are Suicidal Because Social Media is Pressuring Them to Be Trans
Yes, you read that right.newrepublic.com
DeSantis just signed a slate of bills that, among all the other things, effectively ends all gender-affirming care in Florida, other than existing HRT prescriptions. For adults AND children.
Because it has to be prescribed/approved by a physician, not a nurse. In person, not over video. And then approved by two different government boards, composed of members appointed by DeSantis, using permission slips that have not yet been created.
As I read more... well, that law also provides for children to be taken away from their parents if their parents support their children being transgender.
But in a different law he also just signed (the "don't say gay/don't say they" law), it has this little nugget of justification:
(bolding mine)
Because it has to be prescribed/approved by a physician, not a nurse. In person, not over video. And then approved by two different government boards, composed of members appointed by DeSantis, using permission slips that have not yet been created.
As I read more... well, that law also provides for children to be taken away from their parents if their parents support their children being transgender.
But in a different law he also just signed (the "don't say gay/don't say they" law), it has this little nugget of justification:
law said:
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Lexicus
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Yeah....uh................uhhhhhhhhhhh
main difference between a fascist and a liberal is that liberals only think genocidal violence is okay when it's done outside Europe
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I don't care what the laws say - driving someone to suicide is murder. The law gets things wrong all the time.
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Its bad for both parents and children. The children will be getting taken out of loving homes and taken to an uncaring foster system that will detransition them. The parents will suffer the consequences as you outlined above.
It is part of a larger suite of laws that aim to destroy the lives of trans people and anyone who would dare support us.
Alright fine, Mr. Well Ackshuyally Guy, what if the state was making it illegal to get anti-depressants, or ADHD medication, or prescription painkillers, or some other type of medication where banning it wouldn't technically directly kill people but would lead to a lot of people suffering much worse quality of life, some number of whom would decide to end their lives if they couldn't access their medication?
Republicans: "Parents should choose things for their kids!"
Parents: "I choose to support my kid"
Republicans: "No not like that"
sophie
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"Retaliation": Texas AG Paxton Demands PFLAG Provide Names, Addresses Of Trans Members
On Thursday, a legal filing by PFLAG National revealed that Attorney General Ken Paxton of Texas was seeking identification of transgender members. The organization alleges retaliation.
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"Retaliation": Texas AG Paxton Demands PFLAG Provide Names, Addresses Of Trans Members
On Thursday, a legal filing by PFLAG National revealed that Attorney General Ken Paxton of Texas was seeking identification of transgender members. The organization alleges retaliation.
Erin ReedIn a legal filing Thursday, PFLAG National sought to block a new demand from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton that would require the organization to identify its Texas transgender members, doctors who work with them, and contingency plans for anti-transgender legislation in the state. The civil investigative demand, issued on Feb. 5, calls for extensive identifying information and records from the LGBTQ+ rights organization. PFLAG, in its filing to block the demands, describes them as "retaliation" for its opposition to anti-transgender laws in the state and alleges that they violate the freedom of speech and association protections afforded by the United States and Texas constitutions.
The demands are extensive. The letter to PFLAG National demands "unredacted" information around claims made by Brian Bond, PFLAG's Chief Executive Officer, in a legal fight against the ban on gender-affirming care in the state. Bond's claims highlighted that PFLAG represents 1,500 members in Texas, many of whom are seeking contingency plans if SB14, the ban on gender-affirming care, takes effect.
Per the lawsuit, PFLAG National states that it would be required to disclose Texas trans youth members, including "complete names, Social Security numbers, dates of birth, jobs, home addresses, telephone numbers, [and] email addresses." It also states they would need to hand over documents and communications related to their medical care, hospitals outside the state, and "contingency plans" discussed among members for navigating the new laws on gender-affirming care in Texas.
You can see see some of the questions asked in the civil investigative demand here:
The demands also encompass communications with out-of-state healthcare organizations, including QMed in Georgia, Seattle Children's Hospital, and Plume. Previous reports have revealed similar civil investigative demands issued to these out-of-state healthcare providers, seeking information on all patients from Texas who have received their gender-affirming care in Washington State at Seattle Children’s Hospitals. Seattle Children's Hospital, in a legal response, argued that such care, conducted entirely within the state of Washington, falls outside Texas's jurisdiction. It further contended that Washington has a shield law prohibiting the sharing of protected private information related to transgender and abortion care with out-of-state entities. That lawsuit is still ongoing.
This is not the first attempt by Attorney General Ken Paxton to identify transgender people in the state. The filing points to a previous attempt to “compile a list of individuals who had changed their their gender” on Texas driver’s licenses. This is part of a “pattern of seeking identifying information about anyone who is transgender in Texas,” according to the filing.
PFLAG National alleges that the demands are an "overly broad, unreasonably burdensome fishing expedition” that violates its member’s rights to freedom of petition, association, speech, and assembly. It also alleges that they are a violation of prohibitions on unjustified searches and seizures, and that the use of civil investigative demands are an attempt to get around judicial decisions that have blocked Paxton from making similar requests in ongoing court fights. The organization also alleges retaliation for standing up for transgender families in the state.
“These Demands are a clear and unmistakable overreach by the OAG in retaliation for PFLAG successfully standing up for its members, who include Texas transgender youth and their families, against the OAG’s, the Attorney General’s, and the State of Texas’s relentless campaign to persecute Texas trans youth and their loving parents,” the filing reads.
In an interview with Mandy Giles, founder of Parents of Trans Youth and former PFLAG Houston president, she concurs with the allegation of retaliation, stating, “Paxton would retaliate against PFLAG… the families can’t defend themselves. They are too scared to be visible. They can’t fight back, they can’t fight for their kids, they can’t fight for themselves, or their trans loved ones. When PFLAG stepped up to help, it was a saving grace. To have them be attacked this way feels like we all are getting attacked.”
When asked about the specific demands for contingency plans, she paused to collect herself, stating, “This is the families worst fear… that something that was offered to them for protection could come back and hurt them…. the nerve of Paxton asking for families escape plans when he was the reason they were escaping.”
Sadie Hernandez, communications manager for Transgender Education Network of Texas, stated that while Paxton was targeting transgender people now, the methods overlap with other fights in the state for reproductive healthcare and bodily autonomy. “The way they are coming after trans folks has been seen in the way they are going after abortion rights. We have an idea of what is in their playbook.”
She also emphasized the unique impacts these enforcement efforts have on marginalized communities within the trans community, such as undocumented immigrants, “When we talk about folks disproportionately impacted, immigrant and undocumented trans folks who can’t leave the state, or if you are in a border checkpoint can’t even leave the area to receive any kind of gender-affirming care…there will be a lot of folks left out of being able to access care.”
Responding to the Lawsuit, Lambda Legal Senior Counsel and Director of Constitutional Law Practice Karen Loewy stated, “The Attorney General’s demand of PFLAG National is just another attempt to scare Texas families with transgender adolescents into abandoning their rights and smacks of retaliation against PFLAG National for standing up for those families against the State’s persecution.But PFLAG members’ rights to join together for mutual support, community, and encouragement are strong and we will fight to protect them.”
PFLAG National is represented in the case by Lambda Legal, the ACLU and the ACLU of Texas, The Transgender Law Center, and Arnold & Porter Kaye Scholer LLP.
The Transgender Education Network of Texas provided several funds that they work with, including the Frontera Fund, Fund Texas Choice, TEA Fund, Avow, and Lilith Fund.
Lexicus
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This is just completely open Nazism at this point (i mean I guess it's been that for a while now but damn)
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Cloud_Strife
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They want us gone or dead and there's still clueless bad faith cis people who want to debate whether we're being targetted or not.
It's not hyperbole, they're making it very clear!
It's not hyperbole, they're making it very clear!
Generally accepted principle - where we agree, I hope? - is that one is responsible for one's own actions, including any reasonably foreseeable consequences.
Considering how "driving to suicide" requires someone else to decide to take an action that is generally inherently unreasonable, the circumstances where one person could be considered responsible (legally or morally; laws should be moral, after all) for suicide of another would have to be highly exceptional.
I think denying painkillers to someone in unbearable pain or denying medication suppressing psychotic episodes - so essentially causing one to go insane first - could be among such exceptional circumstances, yes.
This is starting to remind Salem witch madness.
Just get out of the country before these crazies really get to concentration camps and shooting squads.
Think US passport gets an easy entry into most EU countries.
Cloud_Strife
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Jesus christ why are you still arguing this, please just stop.
The Lgbtq community affected by this increasing repression is telling you it sucks ass and all you care about is acting as detached as possible about the effects of it, intended or otherwise
Lexicus
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WTH is wrong with you?
(I ask because I am 100% certain you would get the concept of "driven to suicide" if we were talking about some Russian dissident driven to suicide by Putin and this is exactly the same fudging thing)
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