Like Father, Like Son

Man this whole situation is just bizarre. Almost 48 hours and still no motive. Democrats and the Media have been in overdrive pushing for gun control. Dude with no criminal history all of a sudden commits the biggest mass shooting in American history? There is definitely something fishy at play here.
 
civver_764 said:
Man this whole situation is just bizarre. Almost 48 hours and still no motive. Democrats and the Media have been in overdrive pushing for gun control. Dude with no criminal history all of a sudden commits the biggest mass shooting in American history? There is definitely something fishy at play here.
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It does seem very bizarre, yes.

Moreover, according to CNN, the info about the "father who was briefly on the 'most wanted list as a robber", was only revealed by the brother. Now i saw the video of the brother speaking. Well... kind of strange to crack jokes like "he had a lot more cash than you guys" when your brother gunned down over 50 people.


"like that matters right this minute". Well, what can i say, unless USians are REALLY strange in how they react, m8, how is this really a natural reaction to your brother having killed tens of people?
I mean, yeah, conspiracy is a nasty word, but do people watching this interview really go "yeah, i find this person believable"?

A nice LOL moment, though, was to read that Alexios Jones claims that the shooter may have had Antifa ties. What a Trump shill.

:rotfl:
 
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civver_764 said:
Dude with no criminal history all of a sudden commits the biggest mass shooting in American history? There is definitely something fishy at play here.
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Not necessarily. Just because one does not have any documented criminal history does not mean they are a law-abiding citizen or a mentally well-adjusted person. Just take a look at my posts about my uncle in the rants thread. Prior to that, my uncle had no criminal history. The point being that criminal history (or lack thereof) is a pretty poor metric to use when determining what kind of person someone is or what they are capable of doing.
 
Commodore said:
Not necessarily. Just because one does not have any documented criminal history does not mean they are a law-abiding citizen or a mentally well-adjusted person. Just take a look at my posts about my uncle in the rants thread. Prior to that, my uncle had no criminal history. The point being that criminal history (or lack thereof) is a pretty poor metric to use when determining what kind of person someone is or what they are capable of doing.
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It can happen, yes. But what is your impression from the brother's interviews? Is this a believable natural reaction, jokes and all, and small-talk? Have you (you have actual experience with situations of death, while virtually no one else here does; i mean in war, of course) seen anything of this kind as a reaction?
Cause imo it looks very strange. As if he was in on it, at least, or some other foul play.
 
Kyriakos said:
It can happen, yes. But what is your impression from the brother's interviews? Is this a believable natural reaction, jokes and all, and small-talk? Have you (you have actual experience with situations of death, while virtually no one else here does; i mean in war, of course) seen anything of this kind as a reaction?
Cause imo it looks very strange. As if he was in on it, at least, or some other foul play.
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My take is he's so hopped up on adrenaline that he can't really feel his own emotions regarding the situation.

I suspect that an aspect of that adrenaline rush is what motivated Stephen to commit those acts. (My wild speculation as to the motive is he did it for the sheer thrill of it)

My suspicion is the Eric got good at interpreting his brother's warning signs as harmless. Partially because Stephen was a paternal figure (where abusive behavior is often rationalized away as a survival tactic) and partly because Eric has some of those tendencies too and is used to rationalizing them away.

So my current inkling is Eric is by and large innocent, he just couldn't see what someone who was more objective would see.

But who knows maybe Eric is a total psycho wackjob too.
 
Kyriakos said:
It can happen, yes. But what is your impression from the brother's interviews? Is this a believable natural reaction, jokes and all, and small-talk? Have you (you have actual experience with situations of death, while virtually no one else here does; i mean in war, of course) seen anything of this kind as a reaction?
Cause imo it looks very strange. As if he was in on it, at least, or some other foul play.
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Well, they did have a bank robber father that I read was described as being a sociopath and a lot of research suggests traits that cause sociopathy are genetic. If that's the case, his seeming lack of real emotion during the interview could be attributed to potential mild sociopathic tendencies. Of course, I'm nowhere near an expert on that sort of thing, but it would seem to make sense to me.

All that aside, yeah I've seen reactions like his before to situations like this and while I wouldn't say it's "normal" it's certainly not uncommon either. As cliche as it sounds, everyone reacts differently to these types of things based on their personality and life experience.
 
Commodore said:
Not necessarily. Just because one does not have any documented criminal history does not mean they are a law-abiding citizen or a mentally well-adjusted person. Just take a look at my posts about my uncle in the rants thread. Prior to that, my uncle had no criminal history. The point being that criminal history (or lack thereof) is a pretty poor metric to use when determining what kind of person someone is or what they are capable of doing.
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This line of reasoning seems like it will be relevant in other discussions. I'm making a note of it :)
 
Kyriakos said:
It can happen, yes. But what is your impression from the brother's interviews? Is this a believable natural reaction, jokes and all, and small-talk? Have you (you have actual experience with situations of death, while virtually no one else here does; i mean in war, of course) seen anything of this kind as a reaction?
Cause imo it looks very strange. As if he was in on it, at least, or some other foul play.
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I haven't seen it (at work), but bear in mind that the shooter, given that he was a shooter, must have a higher likelihood of abnormal family dynamics, upbringing etc, than most regular people. As such it's not too big a stretch to think that the brother might also be a bit odd, either in general or specifically in regards to his relationship with his brother. Seems a bit of a stretch to be inferring anything more than that.
 
Kyriakos said:
It can happen, yes. But what is your impression from the brother's interviews? Is this a believable natural reaction, jokes and all, and small-talk? Have you (you have actual experience with situations of death, while virtually no one else here does; i mean in war, of course) seen anything of this kind as a reaction?
Cause imo it looks very strange. As if he was in on it, at least, or some other foul play.
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There's no such thing as a "natural" or normative reaction to that.
 
BvBPL said:
There's no such thing as a "natural" or normative reaction to that.
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Usually people in cases of relatives shown/proven to be murderers, will either refuse to even speak/be in mourning/shock, or will put on a theatrical demonstration (which is what this brother seems to be doing, at least imo). The latter can mean that he is just also insane/off, but it could be worse things. It did really impress me how he would say so many jokes, though. And when the reporter (ehm...) asked him how his name is spelled (WTH?) he again sounded like he was improvising some movie scene.
Anyway, i guess that mental illness running the family is the more logical explanation, but still... who would joke that his brother had far more money than the reporters and thus would gamble a lot, when his brother just killed tens of people???
 
Kyriakos said:
It can happen, yes. But what is your impression from the brother's interviews? Is this a believable natural reaction, jokes and all, and small-talk? Have you
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His body language, particularly the facial tics, and the fact that he complained of a headache suggests that he wasn't fully sober during that interview.

I may not have experienced death in combat, but I have decades of experience of living with an alcoholic father. I've seen my dad react somewhat like that to questions (and no, it's not because he or anyone close to him committed mass murder).
 
civver_764 said:
Man this whole situation is just bizarre. Almost 48 hours and still no motive. Democrats and the Media have been in overdrive pushing for gun control. Dude with no criminal history all of a sudden commits the biggest mass shooting in American history? There is definitely something fishy at play here.
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We just created fiction.
 
We created speculation, which may or may not be true. Or if you like, we created several hypotheses. Hopefully information will be forthcoming that will either support or refute the hypotheses, and we'll have more concrete knowledge at some point.
 
Kyriakos said:
Usually people in cases of relatives shown/proven to be murderers, will either refuse to even speak/be in mourning/shock, or will put on a theatrical demonstration (which is what this brother seems to be doing, at least imo). The latter can mean that he is just also insane/off, but it could be worse things. It did really impress me how he would say so many jokes, though. And when the reporter (ehm...) asked him how his name is spelled (WTH?) he again sounded like he was improvising some movie scene.
Anyway, i guess that mental illness running the family is the more logical explanation, but still... who would joke that his brother had far more money than the reporters and thus would gamble a lot, when his brother just killed tens of people???
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Humor is a pretty common coping mechanism.
 
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