Oh god, Ken. Do you even read half the crap you type? Frist I was even supposed to be involved, then I'm "full of crap"", and now you say I'm right. And yes, let this be the end of it because, quite frankly, most of your arguements are plain idiotic.
Okay, here we go again.
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your treaty has nothing to do with the war
UUh, did you read the same thing that I did? Out of the nine articles, just two dealt with the Gerber war. Yet it had nothing to do with the war?
considering the fact that Nurmafer has moved on, and we are the ones, not you, but us, the Crystal Ridge Alliance, who won, so shut up and deal with it.
You won? Really? Last time I checked, Khermi lay in ruins, you three were barely about to push Veritas out of Khermi, Nkondi had seized much of what Shalamari had taken, and Gerber was pushed back across the Kalmar river. So where did you guys win at? The little "vitcory" you guys had over Veritas? So did Veritas "win" back during those battles that it had won? Kid, get real.
Let me eplain something to you. The words "won" and "winning" are two extremely diffrent words. To say you have "won" means a totally diffrent thing than that you are "winning." You may have beaten back Veritas for now, but he can easily regroup. I have a stronger army by a thousand than you, well except for ten catapults and three ramids that you have that might do some damage. Not much of a diffrence between us. Veritas alone has been able to fight you three off, what would happen if I finally back them up?
To get back to my point, you haven't came close to being declared the victors. In order for your alliance to "win", you will have to cross through Mogulia, clearly hostile your coalition as they joined Veritas, march through veritas, something I highly doubt you would ever be able to do, and finally march on my country. Even if you manage to get across the river, you would have to fight the entire way through, dealing with massive losses, fights to the death, and a war that would drag on longer than anyone could ever fight it for.
Right now your faction is simply "winning." By sheer numbers alone have you been able finally to push Veritas from Khermi, at a great cost too. Khadon and Alexandria were destryoed, with Shard (or glass whichever one it is) being recently razed. How many turns have you guys been in war? I doubt that even the "might" Gorin empire would be able to carry this war on for much longer. On the other hand, a people fighting for their independance and freedom will fight until they can not fight anymore.
While we all fight, nations aorund us grow stronger. Then by the time we finish this war, they're be in a better position to destroy you all. Your coalition's only chance at getting this mess over quickly, rather than a long drawn out blood bath, is to sign a peace treaty. And the only peace treaty we will be willing to sign is a fair one. I have said it around five or six times so far, so I'll do it again. You haven't came close to haven "won." You're just mearly winning for the first time. I advise you to accept the Pacifist treaty, as it seems the closest one to actually being acceptable. There is no way that we'll accept any of the treaties you have put forth.
And for your info, we included the Gerbers in that treaty so we could end all wars that we are currently fighting. Who said that everything has to do with you? Try to get your facts strait before you try to correct me, and anything else you can just pm me. I'll be glad to correct you there too.
Okay, my rant is over. @ Iggy: Is there is any more land outside what has been discovered, or am I wasting my time with this naval exploration. Would like to know before I waste my energy on something that would have no benefit.
Since no one can agree, continue the war
My point in paragraph seven
better farming tools! 
And we really like better shiny metals to honor the ancestors which are better then any other deity/belief! To espouse our superiority you know 
