LINESII- Into the Darkness

@Iggy: have our efforts to civilize the tribes north of Malkavia been successful? Are they civilized to any degree? Also, do those tribes and the ones east of Maugot follow New Eldism?

Not well, they lands there make the formation of civilization difficult. Barely at all. No.

BTW, New Eldism is beginning to form in other nations. I predict they will become sort of like jews in some ways. Small populations in many countries, large populations in one country, and they are often persecuted. I imagine many governments won't like New Eldists who get in the way.

#2- This war stems entirely from Khermin aggression towards Nurmafer. You have caused ten fold the damage to them as Veritas had done to you. If anyone should receive help it should be them, not Khermi. Will you give them aid in rebuilding if Veritas done the same to you?
Uh, Nurmafer didn't actually suffer much damage from Khemri. They lost cities, admittedly, but they burnt their own capital and fled, rather than Khemri burning their capital and exiling them.
 
Point one and two are for the purposes of limitng Vertis, we do not want to be at peace whilst they rebuild their armies. Mogulia will be kept as slightly autonomous due to the differences, if you wish we can enter that in the treaty.

3 and 4 are for purposes of rewarding my allies, for WE are the ones who campaigned succesfully for 2(00) years, crushing Vertis forces.

7 is to stop vertis simply regaining power in a war, that already has allies involved. That I started. If not for Gerber Insistance I would have signed a defensive alliance with them 2(00) years ago. As it stands the gerbers cannot withstand two of you.
 
Then why don't we add in factors to limit Khermi's size?

You claim to "crush" Veritas? Not much of atask for a three on one fight, I believe?

YOUR allies should be paid out of any money you receive. They choose to fight and should receive nothing


7 is to stop vertis simply regaining power in a war, that already has allies involved. That I started. If not for Gerber Insistance I would have signed a defensive alliance with them 2(00) years ago. As it stands the gerbers cannot withstand two of you.

What is stop Khermi from regaining power? There are no limitations to your power, just all on Veritas. The Gebers choose their fate when they invaded. We might make peace if key concessions are made.

Mogul had never been a part of Veritas either
For the record, we support an independent Mogulia. It was their choice anyway to join with Veritas, not Khermi.


It was Veritas who attacked Khemri without any sort of provication

The same as in Khermi attacking Nurmafer. To critize one nation for something another has done also just shows your bias.

Veritas has lost this war, and this treaty is very fair considering that fact.
Fair as if you're on your side. This treaty does nothing but attempt to bring Veritas down to levels lower than you. We can, and I most likely will if this treaty is not approved, fight to the death. Your armies know nothing of Veritas, and you will never recieve one break from any of our citizens.

The Davar had nothing to do with either of these wars and had no legitimate defensive alliance with the Tristania, hence they should have no say in the matter except to "advise" against or for certain things.

First of all, forget the "the. Try to use proper grammar or something when you speak. We have the right, as much as you, to interfere when we decide it is necessary. As far as we knew, Gerber had no alliance with you too. Yet you criticize us? You're more biased than any nation we have ever seen.

If it wasn't for Veritas' imperialism then none of this would have started. They spread their religion by force.

Veritasian imperialism? We say again, you speak nothing of Khermi! They are responsbile for this entire fisaco, not Veritas.

Let it be known that Gorin is fully capable of fighting this war for longer, but war is never the answer to anything now is it.
We advise you to consider the follwoing: You shall never take the east. As much of you that dream of it, we will never bow dow to you. If it is eternal war you seek, you shall receive. You will have to drive us from every town, every city, every village within our lands. You will have to slaughter every last man, woman, and child for we shall never to surrender. It will either be peace as equals, or death as needed. The only way we will sign this peice of trash you call a "treaty" is for it be Veritas wish. We will say once more that you will never set a foot upon the sacred grounds of the east. You have our answer to your bluffs. make concessions or go to hell.
 
Because WE won, and secondly I'm down to 3 ecos, hes on 6. this knocks him down to 4, and puts me on 5, fitting for a winner, the transferance back of Lux will have lead us to him 5, me 4, but we will have rebuilt and explored other areas etc.
 
Veritas has destroyed two capitals of Khemri now, and it will continue to do so, until Khemri agrees to a reasonable peace, or Khemri ceases to exist.

Therefore, we reject the terms that Khemri has proposed. Your lands are ruined, whereas ours are still intact. You can make no demands of us.

From: Veritas
To: Davar

If at all possible, please send us your aid. Tristaria has driven back the Gerbers successfully, and if they need more help we will provide it then.
 
because Khemri is not the one that lost? in WW2 do you think the allies would have added a clause to limit their own power? no they wouldn't

May i remind you that it was the Veritas that murdered the Khemri royal family. It was Veritas who had destroyed Khemri's capital
 
Thlayli I warn you, My proposal has the support of the pacifists, If I'm not mistaken they make up a large percentage (significant) of your population.

This is a fair Treaty too, once we compromise certain areas we'll both be happy.

EDIT: That is they consider it a fair treaty....
 
Fair? This treaty is ridiculous. If you want a fair treaty, simply accept the terms we've been offering for the past 3 turns.

Let's settle this at current borders, no reparations, and a return to the status quo. Khemri can't sustain continued war any more than Veritas, less if you look at your economy.

Veritas has 7 economic points again, and we will continue the war if Khemri continues to ask for Lux and Mogul.
 
jalapeno_dude said:
Great update!

@Iggy: Could you please PM me what the Citadel knows about the Lengels (which should be quite a lot, as we've been working in that area for nearly a century)?
Iggy, can you answer this too?
 
iggy do the pacifists in veritas like that treaty?

@Thlayli- you lost, it doesn't matter how much econ you have, you still lost. The treaty is there, negotiat it, quit being so bloody stubborn
 
Great update!

@Iggy: Could you please PM me what the Citadel knows about the Lengels (which should be quite a lot, as we've been working in that area for nearly a century)?

Also, what's a rough estimate of the number of New Eldists per country (i.e. Veritas, Khmeri, Davaria, etc.)?

Well, there's no need to PM you as there is really not much. The Lengels are a tribe to the north who scares everyone. They're off the known map. You could send some diplo to the barbarian tribes and ask them about these guys.

And about the New Eldists: Maybe 5-100 in major countries. But the Pacifist Population is far higher, 20-40 percent in Veritas and Davar, 10-25 percent in Khemri. Gorin and Shalamari, have maybe 5-10 percent. Tristaria doesn't have a significant pacifist movement because they feel that their war is righteous and absolutely necessary for their safety. Though if it becomes a war of conquest they might run into some pacifist problems.
 
We will cede no land, and give no reparations. That is final. Mogul chose to join Veritas, and we won't hand it over. The same goes for Lux, which we spent years pacifying.

Iggy, the pacifists probably don't agree with that treaty, do they?
 
You guys, the update was 25 years, not 100!

And Thayli, umm, make peace:goodjob:
 
and neither will i Thayli, we have the upper hand

and as you can see the peace movement is much higher in your nation than ours, negotiat, you don't have to accept just yet,
 
The same as in Khermi attacking Nurmafer. To critize one nation for something another has done also just shows your bias.

Actually theirs a fair amount of IC reasons for that war, Khemri has always felt threatened by Nurmafer.
 
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