LINESII- Into the Darkness

It's hard to have an alliance when two of the members have nowhere to expand. ;) Also, doesn't Gerber's annoyance at Shalamari aggressively spreading Crystalism (and having superior culture) predate the CRA, or even the Great War for that matter?
 
Silver Steak said:
If he was, he was fueling the fire under Gerber's xenophobia and encouraged hatred against Shalamari. I'm not sure, though, since that is at odds with being in a large and tight knit alliance. This goes for the xenophobia as well, but far more for the other.

As Iggy (I believe) said much earlier in the thread, the concept of the CRA was always ill-advised. Such alliances did not exist in early history; they're strictly a phenomenon of the Industrial Revolution and later. The CRA was therefore only an alliance of convenience for Gerber, and they saw a more convenient alliance and took it. As it turns out, the CRA might have been a better choice, but they couldn't have known that.
 
emu said:
He passed on the maps? God! dont you people have any honour!

You didn't experience the worst one. In stNNES3, when NESes were relatively young, Contempt uploaded a map to the CivFanatics uploads folder, and someone found it. We all used it against him. Of course, he was the Mongols, so we barely came away with our skins anyway, but it saved my Holy Egyptian Empire and others.
 
Silver Steak said:
You will have to describe this "honour" you speak of. :p As for Shalamari prior to the war with Gerber, the general attitude (cultivated inside the CRA, and a great deal due to Shalamari not suffering the ravaging fires of war) was "We NAP to betray".

NAPs? everyone knows what those really mean, passing on maps is going too far, you already have the eliment(sp?) of surprise you dont need anymore.
Last time I was in a position to pass on maps I didnt and that guy was a terrible ally excluded me from all the plan making except the turn I had had enough and was just going to take what was promised me by force.

Cuivienen said:
You didn't experience the worst one. In stNNES3, when NESes were relatively young, Contempt uploaded a map to the CivFanatics uploads folder, and someone found it. We all used it against him. Of course, he was the Mongols, so we barely came away with our skins anyway, but it saved my Holy Egyptian Empire and others.

I believe I was their, or I lurked it. Because I remember calling alex a cheat for using the maps against him, that might be way I never him.

Edit: I think I shoudl stop now too much spam, course the south is alot more interesting I've pretty much lost any hope of dragging my Failed state out of the hole its in, looking for better waters
 
Thlayli said:
It's hard to have an alliance when two of the members have nowhere to expand. ;) Also, doesn't Gerber's annoyance at Shalamari aggressively spreading Crystalism (and having superior culture) predate the CRA, or even the Great War for that matter?

What two members? And I never ordered Crystalism to be spread into Gerber. The culture, yes. The Church funded missionaries, and they apparently went to Gerber, making them shut the border. As a matter of fact, it was never reopened (and so is still closed to this day, strictly speaking) even when Gerber proposed to join the CRA.
 
Yeah, I was thinking about that, but I figured you would go for Khemri instead. No real threat to me, but I did suggest we call off the naval assault (which would mean a tough going for you, I presume) but someone apparently overruled it. Or das sent orders for Khemri.
The orders were in Gorin's orders. There were a few contradictions, so I went with the person who had the map in his orders.
 
Kentharu said:
I stayed loyal, even after i found out about das' betrayal and everything. I could have resent orders

Theres realistic and theres stupid, you shoulda acted in your best interests, everyone else does if they complain just call em hypocrites.

last one I swear
 
Yarr, and das suggested we go on with the naval attack, just to alter the strike points.

Anyway, enough talk about the circumstances of the update. I just want the reply from das. Both IC and OOC. ;)
 
Silver Steak said:
From: Shalamari
To: Gerber

We suggest we cease hostilities and return to pre-war borders. A depopulated zone (consisting of the already razed and salted fields) will remain as a permanent buffer to make sure no Gerber will have to see a Shalamari face (and the opposite). If this is not enough for you, we will even toss in an eco point to sway your judgment. Your answer?

OOC: das... Just curious, but did you crash the CRA party just for fun? To make things interesting? (Which makes me think of Terry Pratchett. It really is a curse! ) And I do find it quite annoying that your reason for invading Shalamari was part due to the "dishonourable breaking of a perfectly good NAP". Not because you were with us planning the invasion, but since you in that decision broke an alliance (which, in most cases, is more "sacred" than a NAP. At least in my book, it is.)

EDIT: Just curious, really. The real question is maybe wether the motive was IC or OOC.

Bumped, for convenience. I swear I will go to bed now. I have work in six hours time.
 
Very well.

To: Tellium
From: Kehexou

We would like to formalize our friendship into an alliance. Would you be agreed?
 
Why did you not rewrite your orders like you said you did?

I did, I added the bit about the river boats to be used against you, as you had advised ;)

Just curious, but did you crash the CRA party just for fun? To make things interesting?

No action ever has just one cause. This, ofcourse, was one of the causes of my betrayal.

And I do find it quite annoying that your reason for invading Shalamari was part due to the "dishonourable breaking of a perfectly good NAP". Not because you were with us planning the invasion, but since you in that decision broke an alliance (which, in most cases, is more "sacred" than a NAP. At least in my book, it is.)

I've used far worse excuses, Silver. ;) At least *I* actually look for a convenient casus belli, unlike some people I could mention. :p

EDIT: Just curious, really. The real question is maybe wether the motive was IC or OOC.

The OOC motive is quite clear, the IC one (or rather ones) I'd preffer to mention in a safer time. But trust me, they're very good. I share the opinion that the worst part about Judas was not that he had betrayed, but that he had betrayed so cheaply.

encouraged hatred against Shalamari

Only in the last few months before the invasion; hell, before it I had forged closer ties. But as it became increasingly clear that a clash with the Lengels was unavoidable, a change of plans happened.

What has Gerber to do with a peace between Shalamari and the Lengels? Or does the Lengelzai answer to Gerber, all of the sudden?

Because Toghol-Advisor fled to the Lengel territories and used his incredible mind control powers to take over the entire Lengel elite, threatening to forge the greatest empire in human history!

Just kidding.

if you haven'y noticed already, the Lengel and Gerber are working together, it was Gerber who gave the iron tech to the Lengel.

Sadly I forgot to do that, at least I think I did.

Or das sent orders for Khemri.

That I didn't do neither; in fact I could've betrayed you far worse had I wanted to, even possibly by sending Khemri orders as was suggested, but that would've been simply cheating.

He passed on the maps? God! dont you people have any honour!

The funniest part was that... Nah, won't reveal that yet. Anyway, not sure how is passing on the map worse than passing on the important plans; don't forget that both can also be disinformation, btw, I had suspected that the plans sent to me WERE.

As it turns out, the CRA might have been a better choice, but they couldn't have known that.

We could've. I did painstakingly consider my situation before finally switching sides.

You didn't experience the worst one. In stNNES3, when NESes were relatively young, Contempt uploaded a map to the CivFanatics uploads folder, and someone found it. We all used it against him. Of course, he was the Mongols, so we barely came away with our skins anyway, but it saved my Holy Egyptian Empire and others.

So its poetic justice, though I myself never did go that extreme and beat him up with an old-fashioned (bungled) betrayal instead.

I stayed loyal, even after i found out about das' betrayal and everything. I could have resent orders

Should have. I would have.
 
Haha. Another alliance bites the dust- and by betrayal again! Remind me to never trust any of you guys. ;].

Just to prevent spam:

Iggy two questions: Are horses spread in the area that I'm in (not sure if they's a name for it yet) and are there uncivilized native tribes in the interior of the area?
 
You just gotta admire the cold blooded way das deals in neses :p
 
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